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The fact of the matter is, this is tolerated in the furry fandom because it is integrated in the fandom completely, just like the fetishes and alternate sexualities, and animal aspects, and even being gay as well (no i’m not saying that you can’t be gay and be a brony either, but to us bronies, it doesn’t matter, we don’t make an identity of it, but furries do, its why their labeled “furfags” because being gay is faar more important in the furry fandom).
Which is why I believe there should be a complete seperation of the furry fandom altogether, seperate the furries from the non furries (i.e. cartoonists, Anthro cartoonists, various cartoon show fans and Video Game Fans) from the actual furry lifestylers and animal fandom and just more associate it with cartoons, much like the anime and more typical “geekish” attitude, which is what the brony community is more like, its more of a geekish attitude, not some animal/horse loving fandom.
I’m not even into sonic and I even think it should be even applied to the sonic fans as well, including yoshi fans (which I am actually, because of some oooold school yoshi artists like Luna-Yoshi who is another part of my child-hood). (How many sonic fans really care about actual animal hedgeghogs and identify themselves as one? They don’t, its just about the cartoons.) Seperate from the “furry lifestylers, fursuiters and whatnot”. Its because us “cartoonists” identify with the cartoons, not the animals themselves. Sure, i like some dragons too, like Nobens work, but I found a majority of “scaly and furry work” is too “realistic” & too close to emulating the actual dragons themselves to be cartoonish. Even Noben doesn’t consider himself a furry/scalie, he just like anthro dragon cartoons!
And finally, i’m not saying that you can’t be a “furry” and a cartoon fan, if you use my definition of furry anyways, You Can be a furry and a brony, but that doesn’t make you and us equal. We’re different, if you can accept that along with a majority of “actual furries”, then we’ll get along dude!
PS, Naciralop, I’m not attacking you, or Furries, please get that straight, so I hope to GOD, we can at least come to an understanding. I know its probably a TL’DR, but I STRONGLY sugguest you read so you don’t repeat arguments that i’ve already made here, its the reason why i made it long to be as CLEAR as possible.
If I can’t at least convince you, then maybe hopefully I can convince others who are reading this.
“Yet, I watch the cartoons, go to furry sites, look at furry art, talk and hang out with furry people.”
So in your mind, you really believe that being a cartoon fan and drawing anthros of them makes you furry? It doeessnntt! :) Its the reason why the brony fandom formed away from the furry fandom to disassociate themselves from the “animal” aspects. You are probably what i’d call a “furry-fan”, which your still pretty much furry anyways so, yeah, you don’t NECESSARILY have to be a full blown furry to be a furry, but you still are a part of the whole animal fandom aspect, you take it beyond the concept of cartooning and into the whole animal aspects. Its the reason why we don’t call ourselves “horses”. Sure we say “ponies” but that term is just a cute cartoony term of it. For us, we identify with the cartoon characters, not the actual “animals” themselves.
You probably would disagree with me on this but just imagine “Hypothetically Speaking of course”, but just imagine if there were a FLOOD of (god-forbid) Justing Bieber brony fans who over-took and butchered the image of the brony community, where now if i go on a site, i see nothing but shipping of random MLP characters with Bieber, and then the assocaition of Bieber becomes integrated with the fandom, and if we dare criticize, we get called out by the Bieber Brony fans, calling us “intolerant” and “hypocrites” just because we like MLP, in other words, saying that to be a Bieber fan is just as weird as being a brony fan, so therefore we have to tolerate it because its weird? So does being “weird” equate to being a freak? Look, you can admit it or not, but i’d dare you to ask a random furry on the FA site and tell me that its not true. I remember a guy on FA complaining about “fursuiters” and whatnot and how “gay” and lame they looked, and he got called out on it and trolled by Furries dude! “You’re on a furry site dude! A lot of people on here are gay! Whadaya expect?” And he was being told by furries dude, not by trolls. And i’ve seen this happen many times to other people. Did he ever get defended? No. He was told “then why are you here?” “but wait, aren’t you a furry dude”. “Oh, your a “furfag in denial”. It was just because he liked cartoon fan art.
Which is why I’m quite indifferent towards the canine varieties. Lion and other “cool animals” seem to come close too. Dragons, reptiles, and cetaceans, are meh. I especially dislike the ones with those smirky looking faces.
One very possible explanation for unnecessary hate some furries express against the bronies. Honestly I don’t get it either, I like a little variety myself. Canines are fun, but you’d think people would jump at the chance to draw something new. Can’t please everyone I suppose.
Which probably one of the reasons why some egotistical individuals thought their canine dominated fandom was threatened by pastel equines. Which is quite hilarious how they thought that.
Probably, I see a lot of horses now too, thanks to MLP. ;)
It’s not common-sense, if its not true; that would make it a myth. Like I said, I bet good money that there is 10 times more clean furry artwork than there is adult artwork. But I’m not going to say that this is common-sense, and ask people to take this at face value. Prove I’m wrong, by all means. You cannot expect people to swallow thin apparitions of an idea, without evidence. A lawyer isn’t the only person that collects evidence, a normal person collects evidence before forming judgement, an ignorant person doesn’t.
As for me defending the furries, why not? They’ve done nothing wrong to me, neither have bronies, or otaku. If someone said that all otaku are cos-playing NEETs, I would defend them. If people said the all bronies are gay men and pedophiles, I would defend them too. Spreading lies about a group of people is ignorant.
Don’t you see what you’re saying? Your saying I cannot possibly be a furry because I don’t fursuit or lifestyle my obsession. Yet, I watch the cartoons, go to furry sites, look at furry art, talk and hang out with furry people. If I want to call myself a furry, I can, and I am. Just as well as I can say that I am a brony.
So i have to be a lawyer with you, is that it? I have to keep detailed facts about everything instead of just using common-sense? Its not even the amount of explicit artwork, its the type of it too, much more extreme in the furry fandom than just standard pornography. And no i’m not trying to argue who’s fandom is better, i’m just stating things thats based on what i’ve seen and what i’ve experienced and many others apparently. I guess its the reason why the brony fandom despises the furry fandom for those reasons.
“I don’t fell in my heart that any of this is true. I don’t have to have a spirit animal, had a fursuit, or fursona to be part of a fandom.”
Then you’re probably not a furry then dude. At least not yet anyways, judging by how defensive you seem to be over the furry community, it seems as if you secretly denying it. Normal people wouldn’t get so defensive and argue about the furry fandom and explain “Not all furries are like that” argument. They would just agree and move along. I’ve seen many people like you get defensive about this subject and often deny that their furries but really their in a transitional state, and lo & behold, they end up becoming furries over time. I’ve been with the fandom for almost a decade and never felt like a part of them at all, and many others feel that way too, its the reason why they’re leaving.
And look, i can type until my hands fall off and probably present you with facts about all this stuff from a lawyer’s perspective and you still won’t get the message. Those who wish continue this argument, by all means. So for the sake of derpibooru and myself, i’m going to end this transmission.
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“FACT of the matter is, bronies and other fandoms are far more tame compared to the furry fandom dude, if you can’t accept that well then thats your problem!” - Yes I have a problem with it because it’s not true. You can’t show me there is more clean art than adult art, so how can this be a fact? Because you said so?
“And if you don’t affiliate with that lifestyle, and just love cartoons then lets face it, youre not a furry.” - No I really am. but…
“If you feel that in your heart that it is who you are, you have some animal connection, fursona, love fursuits what-have-you or just some obsessive love with some animal types and whatnot, then you probably are, i don’t have a problem with that.” - I don’t fell in my heart that any of this is true. I don’t have to have a spirit animal, had a fursuit, or fursona to be part of a fandom. I don’t need a ponysuit or a ponysona either to be a brony. Yes, I know you arn’t saying you need either of those to be a brony, but I can make this comparison to what your saying. It’s just silly.
LOL Dude?! Seriously? I never said there was a problem with being weird, i never even said theres a problem with being a furry. And I do judge people by individual basis. If you feel that your a furry, then thats fine!
FACT of the matter is, bronies and other fandoms are far more tame compared to the furry fandom dude, if you can’t accept that well then thats your problem! And if your comfortable with that, then thats fine! I’m not judging you, i’m merely stating the facts, the fact is, furries ARE more extreme and i’d probably argue the most extreme in all other fandoms that exsist.
Everybody’s weird to a certain extent, i know i have my own weird quarks, but to be a furry is much more assocaited with that kind of alternate lifestyle! And im’ not saying that its wrong to be that way, i’m just stating that its just a reality. Being a fan of a cartoon has nothing to be with being weird (Disregarding the Hardcore fans of course, but like i said ‘THERE EVERYWHERE). Being a furry is much more associated with that “hardcore” lifestyle dude, and i don’t have a problem with it, but you have to accept that truth. I didn’t become a brony because I’m a weirdo, i became a brony because i have a child-like heart and a love for MLP characters dude, and if you really think about it, its not that abnormal. That makes you human.
And if you don’t affiliate with that lifestyle, and just love cartoons then lets face it, youre not a furry. You never have been and probably never will, just like the quote on Shenanigans FA Page. If you feel that in your heart that it is who you are, you have some animal connection, fursona, love fursuits what-have-you or just some obsessive love with some animal types and whatnot, then you probably are, i don’t have a problem with that.
Sorry to say, being a brony is weird too. At least if your want to judge normalcy based on societies standards. Nothing wrong with being weird, better than being boring, which is what I call normalcy.
How about you take the higher road and judge people on an individual bases instead of categorizing them. I see nothing wrong with being weird.
You cant say all furries are into the alternative lifestyle you describe, because you’d be excluding me. I consider myself a furry and a brony.
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I’m glad i’m able to have a civil mature conversation with you guys without resorting to dramalama stupidity. I’d like to shake your hand if i could! :P
Oh I know that I’m not saying anything about the guy at all I’ve seen him comment and he seems nice. Plus yeah I know he’s a brony and I do keep up with all of his art as much as I can with my limited net at the time ^^
We’ll, like i said, good for you. I don’t think all furries are bad people, but it is an alternative lifestyle, thats what i believe. I mean lets face it, being a furry means being just weird, its the reason why furries are much more assocated with fetishes and alternate sexualties because its an alternate lifestyle, whilst bronies are just fans of cartoons. I’d rather tolerate fursuiters and animal lifestylers over the KKK or the skinhead nazi dumbasses anyday.
And for the record, please don’t make the argument that i’ve seen a lot of people make about the concept of “weirdness”. If you judge “normalicy” by societie’s standards, then you are getting the wrong perception of normal-ness. I judge “normality” by the personal human-self, because society is fucked up too.
He’s also a Brony, and the fetishes he often draws are quite tame. Most of the stuff that he draws are top quality, and quite familiar to our enjoyment. The person himself is also a cool guy and a true artist.
Don’t get the feeling anymore, I’m not hating on you or calling you a furry.
I just think your lumping furries into a unfair category. I would defend the bronies the same way elsewhere. Its not right to tag someone, before you even know someone. I’m a furry, brony, well fuck it I’m a animation person. But I turned out just fine thank you, I am a well adapted member of society.
Well, if you wan’t to believe that, I disagree. Atryl’s work is too “toonified” to be considered furry. He doesn’t participate in the lifestyle, doesn’t have a fursuit, doesn’t have the attitude of a common furry. If you look at the styles of furry work and anthro cartoonists, its completely different. Anthro cartoonists emulate a more cartoonly-like style or infleunced by anime styles as well. furry’s emulate more realistic animal anatomy & style. Even the tags prove it, some tagged as “HOERSE” have much more realistic horse anatomy while anthro cartoons are just well, toony!
So, i’d have to say that Atryl is an anthro-cartoonist, not a furry.
Agreed, though I dislike anyone who does anything like that.
I’ve always wondered how people get off to gore, seems like the direct inverse to pleasure to me.
Even being gay or bisexual or having some form of obscure sexuality makes you more accepted and welcomed than just being more down-to-earth. If you open your mouth about disgusted you are about the fetishes, you will get trolled by furries, being called a hypocrite. now THAT i’ve seen happen many times for a fact.
…atryl is a furry to my knowledge…
do not quote me that is just what I thought…carry on with your discussion though that just confused me
-The human haters.
-Those ones who fling claims on people for “ripping-off” of their fursonas, should their fursonas even remotely resemble each others’.
-And the ones who legitimately rip-off of popular franchises and claim it as their own. And throw hissy fits when someone says calls out on them.
-Stingy content hoarders.
-Last, but not least. The “Internet-Tough Guy” Brony/MLP haters
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Now I’m confused. You said that remember. Below is a copy paste. I never called you a furry.
“You draw anthro animals! Your a furry, get over it!” Now grab a fursuit and join the furpile! And they say the furry community is very open and tolerant. The more of a “freak” you are, the more your accepted. Since when does drawing anthropomorphic cartoons make you a weirdo or a freak, and therefore make you on the same level as being into extreme fetishes? Might as well argue that the creator of looney tunes were freaks and weirdos because they draw anthros, but all they really did was draw cartoons in a new cool way