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Background Pony #7AD6
“nooooooooooooooooooooo! i dont want to be immortal and watch all my friends and family die! and my cutie mark, i dont want it related to something huge and important, i want it in music!”
twilight- even alicorns are mortal, and you can be the princess of music
sb-really? thank you!
Roxor
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She’s just finished sitting though Apple Bloom’s funeral at age 111. In the last hundred years, she’s physically only gained one. It’ll be another 600 years before she’s physically an adult.
ThatGuyImpious
The End wasn't The End - Found a new home after the great exodus of 2012

I was never debating any of that. Hell, I’ve studied psychology.
 
Fate as determined by an outside force beyond our control is a bad thing. As sapient beings, we deserve to be able to shape our own experiences, not have them shaped entirely outside of our control.
professor_of_hoers
The End wasn't The End - Found a new home after the great exodus of 2012

Thoughts and reasoning do not come from some void though. They arise based upon multiple causes and conditions that are outside of control. The act of premeditation and reasoning before acting is still based upon the whims of that which arises in your mind. Those concepts, thoughts, and feeling arise based upon a multitude of factors that may be too complex and convoluted to trace to a specific source but are still conditioned by a number of different variables.
 
This is why I like Zombie’s use of the term sapience to better describe the situation we’re discussing. It dismisses the semantics of whether or not one is in control but instead puts emphasis on our ability to reflect on things and reach conclusions based upon our contemplation and insight.
Background Pony #C60A
nopony_you_know:
 
Or she realized that she became immortal way too early. The tiny princess will look really silly.
CottonTales
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Ruler of Sheep
@Professor_of_hoers  
I’m describing ‘free will’ as anything other than impulse you do lots of things on impulse but sometimes you stop and realize you don’t want to do it
 
It’s something I do to divide actions of the brain into two parts those you do just because and those you do for a reason; just because the action would never change in any instance doesn’t mean there wasn’t thought put into it
professor_of_hoers
The End wasn't The End - Found a new home after the great exodus of 2012

“free will” as it stands is a rather nebulous concept to begin with, granted, but I wouldn’t say it can exist outside of conscious understanding. We define our motives, ego, and “will” by our ability to make our so called choices or desires occur in accordance with our actions.
 
So, I think it doesn’t follow that you could have free will if you can’t consciously understand the process by which your decision arises.
Zombie_Trotsky
Fine Arts - Two hundred uploads with a score of over a hundred (Safe/Suggestive)
The End wasn't The End - Found a new home after the great exodus of 2012

Yeah, why can’t Granny Smith do this, and not a child?  
Also, it’s probably a good thing we have limitations, biologically speaking. Just because we can do something, doesn’t mean it’s good for us or others.  
I think sapience is a better term for the free will thing. Wondering why we do what we do.
ThatGuyImpious
The End wasn't The End - Found a new home after the great exodus of 2012

Well, fuck fate. Being saddled with such a massive responsibility at such a young age, and being deprived of the right to say no, is unfair on a sadistic level.
CottonTales
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Ruler of Sheep
so we have ‘free will’ it’s just beyond our conscious understanding of it
 
but the rejection of the call thing is just implying that fate (if a real thing) is inevitable which purely by the definition of fate it is
professor_of_hoers
The End wasn't The End - Found a new home after the great exodus of 2012

I don’t really believe in free will (though there is the perception of it) as we don’t really have control over what arises in our mind. In fact, most neuro scientists have shown that your brain has already made it’s decision before you are even cognizant of the “feeling” or “justification” for that decision.
 
So, it’s an inevitable step towards a fate that provides context and levity. It’s not about choice so much as it’s about the emotional experience and pathos that needs to be overcome to better accept our future.
ThatGuyImpious
The End wasn't The End - Found a new home after the great exodus of 2012

That just means the hero doesn’t have a choice anyways. When you’re given the power to change something, you have no choice but to do it. Because how could you live with yourself if you didn’t?
 
Seems like a raw deal.
ThatGuyImpious
The End wasn't The End - Found a new home after the great exodus of 2012

Most fillies would be ecstatic.
 
Being ever the perceptive one, however, Sweetie Belle realizes she will watch her family die, will never have control of her destiny, and will never be a mother.
 
Cue soul-crushing heartbreak and wild panic.