@Background Pony #572D
FFUCK OFF

Yes….Sprout needs a hug and good people to guide him.
I hope he gets the help and friends to live a good life and become a good pony in return

i made a my r parody for sprout

@Softy
Where did I say that? I wasn’t referring to you specifically. I’m referring to people in general. If you treat people badly they’ll react badly. If you treat them nice, they’ll react nicely. Its a psychological fact. This doesn’t make a person is evil just because they were rude. They could just be rude.

But the biggest undeniable proof that Sprout is not evil is because magic returned at the end of the movie. Notice that when Sprout joined the other non earth ponies standing around Argyle’s picture, that’s when the gems reacted. People don’t alter their values and mindsets within seconds. It takes years of acquired experience. So if Sprout really did harbor ill content towards any pony at that time because he was evil to begin with, the magic of their world would have known and would not have returned.

@hironakamura
Call the police, let them handle it, but press them to at least identify the culprit. If there is any damage, sue. Those are reasonable things to do.

By your own logic, if I treat people with disdain it’s just because of my circumstances, and I’m not a bad person. So, I think Sprout needs to rot in prison. I’m a good person. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

@Softy
I’m not asking if you break into people’s homes. I’m asking you what would you do if someone broke into your home.

@Softy
I believe in the human condition. I believe that nobody is perfect. I believe that good exists inately in people. No matter what bad choices people make because of the things they experienced leading them to those choices, there will always be good in them.

Your personality is who you are but your attitude is how people treat you. If you treat people with kindness and respect, they will eventually act the same way towards you. Treat them with disdain and they will eventually act the same towards you.

Bottom line. Sprout’s not a bad person. He just needs someone to treat him like a good person.

@hironakamura
I don’t grab a gun and chase after them, into their house, and take on their entire family whom I don’t even know. There’s a middle ground between being a doormat and a violent thug. It’s called “proportionality”.

@hironakamura
I can’t agree with “there are no bad people” – yes, there are. Bad people make bad choices because their personality is oriented toward selfishness, or destructiveness, or sadism. Their choices form a consistent negative pattern based on their personality. This is very difficult to fix because they need to change large parts of themselves to improve, and they tend to put the blame on everyone except themselves.

Good people sometimes make mistakes, but if they’re truly good, they’ll immediately seek to correct themselves when they discover the bad consequences of their actions. They’ll be repentant, they’ll assign blame inwardly, and offer to make restitution.

@Softy
I can scale this down for you.

Imagine a stranger breaks into your home in the middle of the night. What do you do? Do you make friends with them? You don’t know their intentions. Are they armed? What if they say “I see you” and starts chasing you around? What do you do? Lets say they leave without incident because you scared them off. Do you just let them go like nothing happened or do you call the cops in retaliation?

@Softy
Everyone is different. Everyone sees things differently. That doesn’t make them a bad person. There are NO BAD PEOPLE just people who make make bad choices.

I said this before. Hanlon’s Razor. People use irl. Never account to malice what can be accounted to stupidity.

Pray one day that you don’t make a mistake and everyone around you calls you a bad person because you made a mistake in believing the wrong thing.

@hironakamura
Hitch was raised in the same society as Sprout. He didn’t want to go to war.
Phyllis was raised in the same society, and she had a profit motive to build weapons, and she didn’t want to go to war.
So why was Sprout different?

Because he was a bad person. He wasn’t forced down a certain path. He made choices. He made the choices a bad person makes. I don’t know what you mean about “surface level”, Sprout’s motivations are all made clear (it’s a kid’s movie after all) when you account for all the things he’s not saying outright. In fact it’s the surface level when you just take him at his word that it seems like he’s trying to help, it’s when you look deeper that you see the complete selfishness and amorality behind his every action.

A bad parson can change into a good person with lot of hard work, but the very first step must be to admit having been bad in the first place. If you start with excuses about how you were totally justified and really you’re just a good person acting badly because of external circumstances, you’re not going to get any better.

@Softy
Yes that is correct. That’s exactly what would have happened and NO ONE would literally be wrong because NO ONE knew the truth. Everyone believed the other race was the enemy. This was how all the ponys were raised for generations in the movie. And you cannot say they were wrong for knowing only believing in the truth they were allowed to know.

Look at Sprout’s face after he came out of the robot. Look at his face when he realized the truth. The real truth. If he really is what you claim he is, he would not have stopped. He would have kept going. Instead, he had that “oh no what have I done” look to him. Think about it.

There was no nuke, the comparison is crazy. Even stretching the definitions, assumptions, and motivations as far they can possibly go, Izzy was a foreign terrorist launching an attack on Earth pony soil.

That happened to the U.S., and they retaliated with war that has killed untold thousands, and yes, yes, ABSOLUTELY YES the people who launched that war are horrible people who deserve punishment and not forgiveness. What they did, the escalation, was inexcusable and wrong. Risking this comment getting deleted for politics, because you know exactly what and who I mean.

@hironakamura
OK, what then should Haven and Alphabittle have done on seeing Sprout’s robot? By your logic, they should have ran back to their own tribes and immediately launched a full-scale assault on the earth ponies. Sprout alone was a far bigger and more obvious threat to them than Izzy was when she entered Maretime Bay.

So, everypony should have gone to war and they would have been justified in doing so, and none of them would be considered “bad” in any way for doing so.

Yes or no?

@Princesstwi
It was still scary for the earth ponies. They thought they were being attacked by an alien invader that can read minds or shoot lasers. The earth ponies have no knowledge of Izzy’s intentions. They just saw a monster. They can’t see what the viewrs see. This is why I think the movie plays off of biases. The viewer assumes all ponies are friends but in the movie, they’re enemies.

@Softy
Go read history about how Americans almost launched nukes because during the cold war they had equipment malfunction thinking other countries launched nukes at them.

What do you think the US would do if ballistic missiles were fired towards their civilian population by a foreign nation? Do you think the US would just sit there and take it or do you think they would retaliate?

Your assesment of Sprout’s character is surface level at best just because he was an idiot. I know people like him from work. They’re not bad people. They just have a bad attitude. If you point them in the right direction, they do good things too.

“Always stand up for what you believe in” - Argyle

Sprout was standing up for what he believed in the same way that Sunny was. He just happened to believe in the wrong thing but that doesn’t make him the things that you claim he is.

Look at the episode “The Safety” from amazing world of Gumball or an irl experiment called Stanford Prison experiment. What Sprout did was what happened to Darwin or the guards in the experiment. It can happen to anyone.

@Softy
>he’s still ready to make horrible decisions.

everyone makes them, what you said is true but still, the picture that is here tells a story that he would be forgiven. But I think there will be a punishment for him and a fitting one is to rebuild the Lighthouse brick by brick alone but with his friend cheering him on (maybe crude and hateful? (don’t know if that is the right word)) but still it was Sprout who did that

I don’t feel like doing a scene-by-scene analysis, but it should be abundantly clear that every action Sprout took was to benefit himself, not his town, or its citizens. His actions make no sense if you assume he wanted to keep everypony safe.

He didn’t care about the factory workers. He didn’t care about the citizens he was leading into a fight. He didn’t care about doing his assigned job.

He cared about having power both legally (giving himself undeserved titles) and physically (having a giant robot that only he would control). He cared about glory for himself.

His motives weren’t good. He wasn’t a Twilight or a Fluttershy, he was a Starlight or Nightmare Moon. The former two just needed to be shown their mistakes, the latter two needed a full-on attitude readjustment. Sprouts still needs it, since even at the end of the movie he’s asking if he was a good sheriff. That shows he hasn’t corrected himself; he’s still ready to make horrible decisions.

@hironakamura
Wow, good thing you weren’t in charge of any nukes during the cold war.

This issue is literally the beginning of the film Thor (2011), and the point is the same: Sometimes, Yes, you sit there and take it. You take stock of the little or no damage done, you better your defenses, and you go on with your life. You don’t escalate to a war that will wreak terrifying damage to both sides.

Hitch literally told Sprout not to start a war. This is known as a “standing order”. He was already told what his duties were and Hitch (as the highest authority we see) already decided (smartly) that there should be no violent response. Sprout disobeyed just to raise his own standing in the town and push his own aggressive agenda.

If Sprout had done something like raise a volunteer army and used them for defense, and built a giant wall around Maretime Bay with weapon emplacements on the perimeter, then he could be excused as wanting to protect his citizens and do his job. Instead he went to offense, and he was willing to place his own citizens on the front line. That reminds me:

“Some of you may die… but that is a sacrifice I’m willing to make!” – Lord SproutFarquaad.

@hironakamura
but still Izzy did not come there with Ill will, she was there because she was curios about if she had friends there

@Princesstwi
Yes it was Izzy. They thought it was a unicorn attack. That’s why the ponies were yelling “unicorn attack.” Izzy didn’t send any form of communications stating she comes in peace. She just strolled in there with no warning.

Sunny’s letter was not an official invitation because the ponies in charge didn’t know about it. Phyllis and Hitch are technically in charge of the town. Izzy should have communicated with them to gain their permission to enter their town peacefully. She just trespassed with no warning.

Excuse me what? “It was Izzy. When she walked into Maretime Bay without permission”. Ummm Izzy came there because of the invitation that Sunny sent, she never came there with ill content or to start an attack. I’m not saying that Sprout started a war, Sprout seems like someone that is very insecure and did not know what to do when he did not have the guidance of Hitch, so thought of the only thing he could do and that is to see Izzy coming into Maretime Bay as an attack, and then to respond with it how he did.

I am not blaming him, but he did do a lot of damage to Sunny’s home, what would you do if someone destroys your home? “oohh it’s not a biggy, I forgive you”?.but I think they will punish him by letting him rebuilding the Lighthouse. that seems like a responsible punishment to me and I think they will forgive him, but he must face the responsibility that what he did was not okay and endanger his friends.

“And it really was Sprout’s job whether he wanted it or not. Hitch, who perfectly knew his home was just attacked by enemies, decided to leave. Sprout, being deputy had no choice but to be the sheriff because that’s the deputy’s job. They take over when the sheriff isn’t there. People were giving Sprout flack for this saying he’s power-hungry and wants to take over the town. He’s an obnoxious idiot so he operates like an obnoxious idiot. I don’t remember any of the Maretime Bay ponies complaining about how he operated though” Power-hungry or not he was responding out of fear also Philys did nothing when Sprout said he was “Emporer of Maretime bay” her words were “well some pony is getting way over his head” that must have been a sigh for her to respond and take her parenting job, the Ponies of Maretime bay are acting out of fear and see Sprout as the one that can guide them, but Sprout can’t do that on his own and needs Hitch for that

@Princesstwi
After talking to a few more people about it, here’s the summary of what actually happened. Either people can’t see it because they have biases or the movie intentionally tricks you to blame Sprout as the fall guy.

People are blaming Sprout for starting a war. He didn’t. It was Izzy. When she walked into Maretime Bay without permission, the earth ponies interpreted it as a unicorn attack. Regardless of her intentions, for earth ponys it was a unicorn attack. She literally sparked the “war.” The fear escalated so Sprout wanted to counter attack Bridlewood before the unicorns “attack” again. Sure he was obnoxious but Sprout’s intentions weren’t bad, let alone evil. When your enemies attack you, and its your “job” to do something about it, you can’t just sit there and take it. You have to stand up for yourself. “We have to do something” - Sprout

And it really was Sprout’s job whether he wanted it or not. Hitch, who perfectly knew his home was just attacked by enemies, decided to leave. Sprout, being deputy had no choice but to be the sheriff because that’s the deputy’s job. They take over when the sheriff isn’t there. People were giving Sprout flack for this saying he’s power hungry and wants to take over the town. He’s an obnoxious idiot so he operates like an obnoxious idiot. I don’t remember any of the Maretime Bay ponies complaining about how he operated though.

People want him punished for his flaws, not his mistakes or actions. Some people don’t even want to forgive him for whatever reason. Its like people forget that 90% of G4 episodes don’t have villains terrorizing Ponyville. Its the main 6 or Spike that mostly terrorizes Ponyville or destroys Sugar Cube Corner or Carousel Boutique or whatever themselves. They just get repaired in the next episode. Sprout smashed a light house that’ll be fixed in the series off screen. Its not worth punishing him for that.

@Background Pony #0496
maybe not drama, more like different opinions about what to do next with Sprout.

@Background Pony #69B7
I can see why you say it was Hitch, but he did tell him not to start a war, and Phylis did kinda steer Sprout in that direction but Sprout was either getting too power-hungry or he did not get what Hitch meant by not starting a war, and maybe by leaving Sprout alone with no one to steer him or guide him he got scared and did not know what to do

I still think this picture is giving the right way to solving the issue, sure Sprout did a bad thing but maybe he can be for given by his friends