@SSJGPiccles
Truth.

@SSJGPiccles
It's called fan art for a reason. You make a continuation of new story of a series, character, or episode.
You are exactly right, sometimes one character gets all the glory from being bad and turns good and another just like that character gets picked on for being mean to everyone in the entire town and like what happened to cozy glow, gets sent to jail.

I understand a lot of people have issues with too many reformed villains, but you've got to have SOME standards for what makes a villain redeemable or not and the way that the characters treat people.

Otherwise your characters just come off as giant hypocrites.

How do you give the physical manifestation of Chaos and disorder all the patience and second chances in the world, but then turn around and decide that there's just NO helping this small child?

There's a lot of inconsistency in how Discord gets angry glares at worst while Cozy Glow gets immediate eternal sentences to hell and petrification when no one has ever genuinely tried to reach out to her. Heck the person responsible for bringing her back and enabling her to do more evil gets to be the one to stone her in the end.

I'm not crying, you're crying!

@DiamondDust

protec cozy

༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ

Cute

@royalbardofequestria93
Yes

Awww, is she sick?

@Cyan Lightning
We'll end the discussion then, sorry.

Guys?

@Cyan Lightning

You know, the topic that you guys talk about aren't really relevant at least for the newer comments, I kindly ask you guys either continue it on PM or forum, pretty please

Am I joke to you? Please don't turn my friendly reminder into wrath, I honestly don't like it

@DiamondDust
Sorry, but your wording came off a bit aggressive.

I would much prefer them being villains, as well. If the show ended with them in Tartarus, arguing like the dysfunctional family that they've become,

Yeah, that might've been better, but I guess the staff didn't want to put them back in a place they could possibly escape from.

I dunno, it still seemed more like a punishment then revenge to me. (Celestia & Luna technically did it, not the Mane 6) But eh, at least they didn't get the death penalty. That would've been far worse perhaps.

I don’t see how I’m hassling you. I’m just pointing out a simple double standard regarding how people view the redeemed villains versus the non-redeemed villains.

The reverse of that could be argued, as well. Everyone kinda has their own take on things.
Still, I dunno reforming a character like Tirek & Chrysalis would be like trying to reform the Joker, or something to me. Cozy might've had a chance, sense she was a child, but then like Starlight, people would probably be upset she didn't get punished either, (like Starlight) so no matter what, some will be upset.

So honestly there's not much left to argue about, and I kinda worry we're polluting the comments, so maybe we should wrap up this discussion soon.

@Beau Skunky
Fair enough.

I would much prefer them being villains, as well. If the show ended with them in Tartarus, arguing like the dysfunctional family that they've become, I probably wouldn't even think twice about it. However, the mere image of them defeated and powerless, only for the "heroes" to then finish them off is just overly cruel. That wasn't punishment, that was revenge. That's what bothers me, and a lot of fans the most about this ordeal. It's the concept of morality. It only makes the heroes look awful by comparison.

I can pretty much forgive nearly every dumb writing decision made from Season 1 Episode 1 to Season 9 Episode 23. Everything, expect the finale. That pushed it far beyond my limits of tolerance.

I don't see how I'm hassling you. I'm just pointing out a simple double standard regarding how people view the redeemed villains versus the non-redeemed villains. The only thing that makes any of them different from one another is whether the writers want them to be reformed. Starlight was the closing thing this show has had to generally complex villain. Are you talking about Vito. I don't really know enough about him to make an honest remark.

@DiamondDust
I just didn't want the comment to cause more fighting, it wasn't because I took offense to it.

Chill, I never said they were irrideemable, or anything, you're putting words in my mouth, (all I said was I'm fine with not every villain getting reformed) and frankly I never said flat out that any of that was "due to bad writing," in fact honestly for the most part I'm fine with the show's writing, even if it isn't always perfect. You're getting a li'l touchy now.
Also, a bit ironic to hassle me, given I just defended one of the people on your side of the argument…

I think Cozy's just a li'l more controversial is all.

@Beau Skunky
Okay, I'll take that one back. I was still kinda tried when I wrote that last comment. I would point out, though, that comment wasn't necessarily directed towards you, but the fans who constantly feel the need tell everyone how much of a irredeemable monster Cozy Glow is on every single image that features her. Particularly the person who started this ongoing chain of arguments in the first place. Also, you wrote a similar comment earlier on this page, only to continue this debate regardless.

By the way, as far as victim blaming goes, your very quick to disregard any bad writing that would make people dislike Discord and Starlight. Yet, are fine using that same bad writing to write-off the Legion of Doom as being completely irredeemable.

I may have exaggerated, however, you much admit, Cozy Glow gets an unfair amount hate directed towards. Even looking at her just as a villain, there's more of a bias towards her character. I don't see that kind of reaction to the other "irredeemable" villains, like Tirek or Chrysalis.

@Background Pony #1552
Ok, let's not badmouth him that badly, dude. You can't read his mind, so don't jump to conclusions. You're just going to cause more trouble.

Let be honest, Vito is just another coinpo that don't deserve any kind of respect. He actually deserve this kind of comment section and worse.
He don't even upload his fanart here(he do it for /mlp/), someone else do it instead because it's clear that he don't care about the derpibooru community

@Background Pony #1011
I doubt it, but that probably wouldn't get much better response judging from Cozy hate pics, as well.

The artist Vito himself has been a bit controversial, as well, (he tends to badmouth the show staff, and compared people who still enjoyed the show to "being in denial fans of Mao/Stalin," which got deleted) so that might also be what's stirring up some drama, as he's no saint either.
Still, I respect him as an artist, at least.

@Beau Skunky
Yeah, because the artist is surely getting a lot of feedback in this one or the previous ones. Maybe some day Vito will make a 180 and draw the mane6 shooting cozy glow in the face if they continue complaining in every happy cozy glow pic from this set and artist

@HenBasket
Possibly, but sometimes it's nice for the artist to get feedback, no matter how little it is, as there are still compliments, as well.

@Beau Skunky
Honestly, if the uploader of images could disable comments, I would do so whenever I upload these images to prevent theses arguments since they always seem to happen

@DiamondDust
Um, nobody's calling her Hitler, and frankly, no offense, but making passive-aggressive "I'm the victim" remarks like that is partially the thing that causes arguments…

@Cyan Lightning
Sorry about that. I kinda got lost in this whole argument. Personally, I do wish to just be able to view these adorable images of Cozy, without it being a whole ordeal. Apparently, some fans get really bend out of shape if anyone dares to view Cozy Glow as anything less than the pony equivalent to Adolf Hitler. It's quite irritating, honestly.

You know, the topic that you guys talk about aren't really relevant at least for the newer comments, I kindly ask you guys either continue it on PM or forum, pretty please

@DiamondDust
I dunno, I didn't see any hints or setup to any reformation. That bit where they sort've admit they liked teamwork, and then shrugging off learning the lesson of the day seemed more like a joke then anykind of hint at reformation. I guess sense I didn't take that as seriously as you guys, I didn't set myself for disapointment. As I said, I don't mind some villains not being reformed.

I dunno I still enjoy Discord, and I think some are being a li'l too hard on him after the finale. They also seem to ignore the fact he did help out the good guys, as well after screwing up, and I believe he has had development, and things like the finale, and back when Tirek betrayed him, has shown he has learned his lessons, and has developed. So in a way screwing up in a way does help keep Discord from trying to do anything this major again, or trying to manipulate things too much.

Yeah, I suppose Starlight's backstory needed some work, and as stated Starlight didn't quite understand how important Twilight's friendships were, and how big a butterfly effect they'd have, due to her own ignorance of friendship, as well as time travel. (Something ponies probably don't know much about, nor have many stories about.) Still, sense everything she (unintentionally) did was undone by time travel, nothing she did was irreversible, or unforgivable.

I admit Starlight & Trixie's friendship/episodes were quite amusing. When you have a character as rigid as Trixie with someone as flighty as Starlight, they make a good duo.

@Beau Skunky
I'd see it as being no better than the rest of the show, so it'll at least be consistent. However, the setup had all the markings for a great reformation, which just makes it more insulting that they didn't reform them.

Perhaps I do have a bit of a bias towards Discord. While I didn't particularly like Discord prior to his reformation, I've found him to be at least passable. However, after the finale, Discord is now easily my least favorite character in the show. There's a literal trope for the whole evil token teammate, and it has been done better in other shows. Just compare Discord to someone like Vegeta, and you'll see what I mean. Vegeta is an asshole that people can like because he actually has depth, and grows as a character. Discord has little depth, and somehow has managed to regress as a character.

We've had this conversation before. I personally like Starlight, both as a villain and a hero. She's actually my second favorite character on the show. However, her backstory undermines her entire character. This is the reason why she's so polarizing among fans. I'm well aware that she didn't intend to destroy the timeline. I've defended her character in the past. Regardless, she's still nearly caused irreversible damage to the entire universe for nothing short of petty revenge. A child would know that changing something in the past would have repercussions for the future.

I would have loved for her to be a filly version of Trixie. Keep her snooty personality, while being frienemies with the CMC. The interactions between Starlight and Trixie is one of the best things about the later seasons as a whole.