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What do you all think? Was there really no point to the scene where Cozy Glow, Tirek, and Chrysalis started talking about how good it felt to give instead of take?
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GeneralKenobi75

@Background Pony #4539
Maybe, but these three have already been established as characters a lot longer. They've been interesting villains in their own right. While Grogar is just another ancient threat to Euqestria. Even if they built up his character, he still has to compete with them.

Also, that would still leave these three as just acting as flunkies for Grogar, when they're all major villains themselves.
Background Pony #4539
@GeneralKenobi75
That is subjective to whether or not these three are more interesting than Grogar. In my opinion, if they kept Grogar in the finale, that would have been the perfect time to build up his character.
GeneralKenobi75

@Smart Heart
I don't, and neither does the show. His actions bring dire consequences; to himself, his friends he thought he was helping, and to Equestria as a whole. He ended up losing his power and everyone he cared about because of his actions.
GeneralKenobi75

@Smart Heart
Discord is still thinking like a control freak. He's changed but not fully. Which led to that happening. He thought he was doing good, and helping Twilight become a better princess. But he still has a lot to learn.
Smart Heart

@GeneralKenobi75
Speaking of subversions, where does that leave Discord? He knowingly sent three major villains out to fight Twilight knowing we’ll all three would lose. That alone proves he’s no better than those three.
GeneralKenobi75

@Smart Heart
Then where would that leave Cozy and Tirek? Its not fair to leave them out of the finale considering each has been a major threat on their own. Again, having all three be the main antagonists fit much better. It wasn't just one villain the heroes had to contend with like its usually been. This time its three of their past enemies come back to haunt them.

No, they looked pretty relieved when they realized they avoided succumbing to friendship. Honestly its a nice and hilarious subversion.
Smart Heart

@GeneralKenobi75
If that were the case, they all should’ve been laughing at the notion. Only Chrysalis was the first to deny it. By the looks on their faces, Cozy and Tirek only agreed with her to calm her down. Chrysalis shouldn’t have to speak their minds for them. In fact, she should’ve been the one to kill them or absorb them in the bell if they even thought of speaking up, leaving only her as the final boss.
GeneralKenobi75

@Smart Heart
Because he's too generic. He's basically just the dark overlord archetype villain. Which is another reason why I like the Discord reveal. We aren't just doing the "age old threat to Equestria" trope. While it would have been cool to see Grogar, it would have relegated Tirk, Chrysalis and Cozy Glow to just his lackeys. And they're far more interesting.

A villain can be interesting and fun to watch while still being irredeemable. In fact that's part of why they're so fun is because they are so irredeemable. So I am glad they didn't do some contrived redemption out of nowhere for those three.
GeneralKenobi75

@Smart Heart
They weren't. What they were showing was that not everyone can be redeemed, or wants to be redeemed. What they were setting up is that these three were not going to pull a Starlight Glimmer or Discord and just turn good by the end. And honestly, I'm good with that. Nice to have some actually irredeemable antagonists out there.
Bunny-CarrotHunter

I love how heated some people got in the comments, so I want to give my intake now because this will bug me for weeks.

It might have seemed like they tried to do something with this, but ultimately threw it out the window. I think this scene was meant to show that they aren't entirely evil, that they are capable of considering friendship, or at least their version of it. People say Chrysalis was born evil, but in turn would also mean all Changelings would have been born evil if Chrysalis gave birth to them, but somehow they still had the ability to change into what they are now by going against what they were born doing. It must mean Chrysalis is also capable of undergoing that process should she chose.

Watching this scene again always fills me with hope and saddens me again when looking at the finale. The thing I noticed most was how it was Chrysalis who snapped all of them out of the thought of friendship, even when she was the first one to "feel it" ("I.. I wasn't sure you were going to give it back.."-A moment she experienced what having compassion was like). It was most likely the memory of what Friendship "did to her", to her kingdom and herself. In her mind, Friendship turned her children against her, changed her entire kingdom and outcasted her. That's why she refused to let it happen again and snapped herself out of it. Tirek and Cozy, though they agreed with her, looked a little.. conflicted on doing so. Almost disappointed, most notably Cozy, who seemed nervous and even tried on "But.. Grogar says we have to work together…".

This scene could have served to tease their possible redemption at the end in the finale. Maybe not by having them fully reformed but at least stop their evil plans to just exist. It's clear they felt a sord of 'spark' of Friendship before they shifted their attention back to revenge and take over. At the very least it showed they are capable of forming bonds, even with each other. Heck, it would of fit well into the long theorized plot that Grogar would have discovered their betrayal, abandon them and decided to take over on his own, thus convincing the Mean 3 to either team up with the good guys to defeat him or just with themselves and their new found friendship. But nope, instead we got what we did.

I did enjoy the finale, and the entire fandom is half and half about the decision to turn the villains to stone. While I understand the decision, moments like this and their team up in "Summer Sun Setback" really hinted at something else and felt disappointing when it didn't go that route.

BUT, maybe S10 of the comics will give us something. Hopefully.