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GryphonStar5678

Bearded Dialogue Master
@Background Pony #FEF8
Wow, you are determined to make yourself look like the better. I was agreeing with the same guy you were and all you could do is bitch and scream at me. True poor actions. At least attempt to fight back properly. Making yourself look a good guy is rather stupid when you spent three pages complaining about how I write the word Excuse.
Background Pony #FEF8
@Background Pony #04EE
I’m glad someone gets it. Show Sombra was stupid for the sake of the plot.

At least they tried to make Comic Sombra look competent.

Oh well, I’m done with this argument.
Background Pony #FEF8
@Background Pony #50D7
Lol, wow. I left for 12 days and you are still going? And with a comment filled with nothing but ad hominem attacks with no substance too. Typical.

I refuted your comment point by point and you still want to convince yourself that you are the winner?

You are the one attacking every one in the comment section who states the fact that Comic Sombra is better. So why don’t you take your own advice and stop arguing about a children’s show? You are the only one who wants to continue this argument. Heck you even said that you would keep answering me for eternity. Well, keep convincing yourself that you have won all you want. I am done with you.
Background Pony #CA92
accidentally came across this image, remembering the pointless drama from long ago….but then sees the drama is still happening over a period of 5+ months of constant back and forth bickering. Wow. Just…stop while you're ahead. It's like an infinite loop of nonsense.

GryphonStar5678

Bearded Dialogue Master
@Background Pony #04EE
By that moment it was clear the writers were simply just trying to end the episode. Also it was never clear what that throne was made of nor that Sombra could create exact types of gems or else he could have just created his own version of the Crystal Heart as well, or ever his own elements of Harmony. heck by the logic of simply creating the right crystal Sombra could literally forge his own Tree of Harmony with ease. Such thought would be too stupidly over power so I doubt the writers ever considered such a possibility.
Background Pony #50D7
@Background Pony #FEF8

All lies. You just want to win, that the only reason you are throwing in the towel now. Giving out complements to hide the fact that your previous comment is full of insults and terrible rambling, utter lies and poor words. The only child here is you, continuing screaming that he's right while having no proof behind him at all. The proof is in every line I sent your way, from the first comments where you were attacking the way I spell, to later comments where you toss insults. And even later comments where you were sockpuppeting and got your comments deleted by MODs. Getting into fights, refusing to listen to facts presented long ago. These are things you did over and over.

Whine all you want. Bitch and scream, it never proves you right. Fact do, and I'm the only here using them. I could tear apart another chain of comments over and over with the same answers because you won't listen, but it's clear and obvious from the beginning that you won't listen. You refuse to accept when you are wrong and that is a great shame, a cowardsess weakness that you seem to wear as a badge of honor.

Blind you are, lost you are, arguing in vain to be right on a cartoon show of all things. At least attempt to be factual and reasonable but no, you would rather keep going and going and going. Well, go ahead. I will keep answering you for eternity.
Background Pony #04EE
@Background Pony #FEF8
Yes, Show Sombra plans so far ahead that he left the Mane 6 in a hole they could easily fly/jump out of… Talk about stupid for the sake of the plot.

Not to mention just spamming basic beams at Discord and not even considering those anti-magic crystals.
So, writers… Chrysalis suddenly gets anti-magic (her throne) to weaken Discord, but Sombra (who always had the power to make said crystals) suddenly doesn't?
Background Pony #FEF8
You know what, I’m done with this argument. I conclude that each of you reading this can write a better story for Sombra than both the comic and the show.
Background Pony #FEF8
@GryphonStar5678
Re:”Nope, he let himself die to see where the Tree was.”?

Yup, he faked it. Don’t deny it.

Re:”And again I point out Tirek was defeated by the Tree's power while he had all the alicorns and even Discord's power and even the all ponies of Equestria. The very same Tree that Sombra killed with ease, so yes he is far stronger than Celestia and Luna and Twilight and Cadance combined.”

Tirek was defeated when the Tree’s magic was activated by the Mane 6. Sombra destroyed the tree when the Tree was inactive. Big difference.

Re:”Again Flurry Heart is shown to take down power far greater than them and Sombra takes her down off screen with ease after only being in the kingdom for a grand total of five seconds.

Don’t exaggerate. Flurry Heart destroying the Crystal Heart is not that great of a feat. Remember Radiant Hope and Rabia saying all Sombra had to do to destroy the Crystal Heart was smash it? I didn’t think you did.

Re:”And secondly, "no other villain" that's a lie since Discord was shown to be defeating Celestia and Luna with ease all the way back in season two.”?

Indeed, no other villain. Comic Sombra is the only character who has defeated the two sisters in one shot. You are the one lying to yourself if you think that Discord was doing the same thing. All Discord did was toy with the sisters until he himself got defeated.

Re:”As for Discord being in control, don't be lying to yourself, there was no plan for Discord, nor was the writers really planning for Discord to be the true twist anyway, so all the damages that Sombra does fall solely on Sombra and no one else.”?

Spoken like a child in denial. It is very obvious that Discord was the puppet master the whole episode. He even told them that Sombra’s magic blast did not really hurt him.

Re:”Also note that Sombra took out all those obstacle without even seeing them beforehand on screen. Ergo he was watching the entire series go down before being ressurected. Or probably had magic spell monitoring everything that happened in his empire while he was gone. How else do you explain him going for Flurry Heart first.”

You are making Show Sombra out to be smarter than he really is. Its a no brainer that the bad guy will go for the baby to threaten the parents first. Cadance surrendered to him because he captured Flurry Heart.

Re:”Face it, he could have come back any time he wanted to, the plan just provided him with the perfect excuse. In doing so really even his death in part 2 could be considered part of his own plan. If the writers kept going and kept the constantcy of this character, I'm certain he would come back in another thousand years for another fight. Why? He's prideful and stubborn. That has been his biggest character trait since season three.”

If this is the case that would be cool. I want to see him return in a future movie / special. A two part episode or comic series is simply not enough to showcase his potential. If you want this to be true, they should at least tease his survival like what they did with his horn in Season 3 and his horn appearing again in Fiendship is Magic #1 and Siege of the Crystal Empire.

Re:”You know who isn't stubborn, prideful, or has a good plan setup many years in advance the comic version.”?

He was stubborn to the point where he argued with Chrysalis and was prideful enough to call her a Queen of vermin. So again, you are pulling stuff out your rear end.

Re:”The only thing here that out of character is how the comic version constantly complain, asks for help, never has a plan and above all sits around doing nothing.”

You know you keep repeating this yet give no examples for them. I’m still waiting. Sombra one shot the Two Sisters, became Emperor and got his waifu, those are really big somethings. Show Sombra was just Discord’s disposable puppet.

Re:”Not to mention the show version will always be in character because the show version is CANON.”?

And yet the Comic version is more consistent. A dark, mysterious and serious character with no goofiness.

Re: “Since season three gave us so little to work with we can only accept season nine as the rest of the real character. And there are no conflicts with this since both versions are stubborn, plan far ahead in advance and prideful. The comic version is not canon and his conflictions are far too great too ignore, ergo, this point is mut.”?

Yes, Show Sombra plans so far ahead that he left the Mane 6 in a hole they could easily fly/jump out of… Talk about stupid for the sake of the plot.

Re:”The comic version even writer well”?

I am sorry, but I do not understand your English.

Re:”…the comic writers still could do jack shit with Sombra at all.”

Just because the writers could not do anything with him, it does not mean his character was bad. Comic Sombra had a tragic backstory, character development, personality and he made you feel. Show Sombra was a cliche waste of time and space.

Re:”The comic writers had two attempts to make Sombra and both times they made a totally different character. The best proof is in their previous version which was literally an alternate universe one. Both were fine changes up, if they did anything with them more than exploring a single idea.”?

I can totally agree with you on Reflections. It really wasn’t needed.

Re:”And that is the greatest shame of the comic Sombras, both only had a single use.”?

I agree that how they were used were bad. However, Comic Sombra’s personality and backstory should not have be ditched for the goofy Sombra in Season 9.

Re:”Served a single purpose and nothing more.”?

Like Show Sombra being Discord’s puppet.

Re:”The alternate was created solely to make a sad story for Celestia”?

Like I said, I hate Reflections.

Re:”the whiny baby was created solely so they could reform him before the show did first.”?

As far as I know, only Season 9 had a whiny baby who cried in defeat. The Comics gave us a lovable anti-hero on par with Zuko. The only issues are more on how he was used rather than his design and personality. Overall, Comic Sombra is the more intriguing character.

Re:”Meanwhile show Sombra has had multiple purposes and even outgrown his purposes.”?

Exaggerating much?

Re: “He's conquer the Crystal Empire, twice,”

As did Comic Sombra.

Re: “conquered Ponyville, Canterlot and several other cities along the way,”?

Comic Sombra was already planning to conquer the Yaks and Griffons.

Re: “And above all did the one thing no villain has ever done, destroy the Tree of Harmony. Not even Tirek could do that while holding all four alicorn's power, Discord's and all the ponies equestria.”?

You love repeating yourself do you. Yet honestly, its not going to be true no matter how much you do it. Tirek was defeated when the Tree’s magic was activated by the Mane 6. Sombra destroyed the tree when the Tree was inactive. Big difference.
TheSultanAkbar

The individual human
@GryphonStar5678
Ok. But did he bring genocide or nearly bring genocide? Cause lots of cartoon villains almost bring something.

Most villains? Except two? Out of five, that's like, two. Grogar wasn't even real, he's still a legend. And Cozy a d aTirek showed no different than what we've seen.
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GryphonStar5678

Bearded Dialogue Master
@TheSultanAkbar
Again the original Smooze nearly brought about global genocide. Light hearted or not you watch the old eisode you can see every ounce of terror as the main cast watch helpless as millions are killed. It was clear even back then that the writers were never after light heart stuff.

I'll agree that season nine's take on most of the villains was bad. With two exceptions, that being Chrysalis and Sombra. She was already going over the deep end long before season nine even started. Meanwhile, Sombra was extremely consistent considering the little amount the season three original showed us. Extremely active, very power, thinking several steps ahead and only alive long enough to serve a purpose that writers designed.
TheSultanAkbar

The individual human
@GryphonStar5678

@Background Pony #FEF8
Right, right ok. They… had some creepy themes to them. But they were still pastel coloured creatures in a fantasy world. Come on, don't tell me Crysalis cackling and singing a song at the end of Canterlot wedding inspired terror! Compared to some other children's cartoon MLP is still pretty squarely on kids show territory. And that's ok. People came to MLP to watch a light hearted show!
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Background Pony #FEF8
@TheSultanAkbar
What do you mean “always”? Chrysalis was at her best in Season 2 and it all went downhill from there. Tirek was never goofy when he debuted, he had the audience believe he was unstoppable. Cozy Glow was the manipulative, passive aggressive type not this bumbling goofball we see in season 9.
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GryphonStar5678

Bearded Dialogue Master
@TheSultanAkbar
Tirek rips life out creatures. Sombra can create your darkest fears. Nightmare Moon can trap you in your darkest nightmares. And that just covering G4, go back to G1 and we had a tyrannical Bee, a version of Tirek that could turn ponies into literal monsters, a real Grogar that enslaved nearly every pony at point and nearly murdered the main cast and to top things off, two villains who could be seen in any type of horror movie, Arabus, a killer cloud who could create depression to point of implied suicide and the original Smooze who bring I shit you not global genocide.

Right, the show was always fluffy and kind.

Not even close. Being a goofy villain doesn't mean they couldn't be dark. What I was referring to was the comics attempts to make good villains from the shows baseline. Most of their best villains were either purely of lesser show villains like Flim and Flam and Iron Will or their own created villains, ie Radiant Hope, that Cow robber whose name always escapes me, the mirror six and the Nightmare spirit.

Meanwhile any main villain outside from Chrysalis herself was utter shit. Heck they even ruined the changelings with their origins comics saying they were created from Starswirl's sneezing in a toxic dump, yes Starswirl sneezing
TheSultanAkbar

The individual human
@GryphonStar5678
Well, if the villains were too dark, it would jar heavily with the tone of the show. I mean, for god's sake, it's a show centered around pastel horses. They learn lessons about friendship. I gotta say, I did see the Umbrum becoming kind of goofballs at the end. No way they were gonna leave it THAT hardcore.
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GryphonStar5678

Bearded Dialogue Master
@Background Pony #FEF8
He faked his own death in Season 9, he did not let himself die. Comic Sombra actually shrugged off a direct shot from Twilight Sparkle.


Nope, he let himself die to see where the Tree was. Either way, it still something none of the other villains ever considered in the slightest. And again I point out Tirek was defeated by the Tree's power while he had all the alicorns and even Discord's power and even the all ponies of Equestria. The very same Tree that Sombra killed with ease, so yes he is far stronger than Celestia and Luna and Twilight and Cadance combined.

Comic Sombra also one-shot the two most powerful princesses like it was the norm for him, and it was also something that was done by no other villain.


Again Flurry Heart is shown to take down power far greater than them and Sombra takes her down off screen with ease after only being in the kingdom for a grand total of five seconds. And secondly, "no other villain" that's a lie since Discord was shown to be defeating Celestia and Luna with ease all the way back in season two.

As for Discord being in control, don't be lying to yourself, there was no plan for Discord, nor was the writers really planning for Discord to be the true twist anyway, so all the damages that Sombra does fall solely on Sombra and no one else.

Also note that Sombra took out all those obstacle without even seeing them beforehand on screen. Ergo he was watching the entire series go down before being ressurected. Or probably had magic spell monitoring everything that happened in his empire while he was gone. How else do you explain him going for Flurry Heart first.

Face it, he could have come back any time he wanted to, the plan just provided him with the perfect excuse. In doing so really even his death in part 2 could be considered part of his own plan. If the writers kept going and kept the constantcy of this character, I'm certain he would come back in another thousand years for another fight. Why? He's prideful and stubborn. That has been his biggest character trait since season three.

You know who isn't stubborn, prideful, or has a good plan setup many years in advance the comic version. The only thing here that out of character is how the comic version constantly complain, asks for help, never has a plan and above all sits around doing nothing.

Not to mention the show version will always be in character because the show version is CANON. Since season three gave us so little to work with we can only accept season nine as the rest of the real character. And there are no conflicts with this since both versions are stubborn, plan far ahead in advance and prideful. The comic version is not canon and his conflictions are far too great too ignore, ergo, this point is mut.

The comic version even writer well as a good character could never be in character because he simply not written to true Sombra. He's not even a pale imitation. He's a totally different character. And that not what make Comic Sombra so bad. Reboot and altered versions happen all the time with new and different writers. The mere fact he's out of character isn't the biggest problem, it simply becuase even with a new version the comic writers still could do jack shit with Sombra at all.

The comic writers had two attempts to make Sombra and both times they made a totally different character. The best proof is in their previous version which was literally an alternate universe one. Both were fine changes up, if they did anything with them more than exploring a single idea.


And that is the greatest shame of the comic Sombras, both only had a single use. Served a single purpose and nothing more. The alternate was created solely to make a sad story for Celestia and the whiny baby was created solely so they could reform him before the show did first.

Meanwhile show Sombra has had multiple purposes and even outgrown his purposes. He's conquer the Crystal Empire, twice, conquered Ponyville, Canterlot and several other cities along the way, Captured Shining Armor, Cadance, and Flurry Heart. Unleashed the plunder vines to hold Celestia, Luna and Starswirl in place, all while expecting to fight Celestia and Luna head on in the throne. Yes go rewatch the episodes, he planned for them to be there and fight them, but they decided to be useless. And above all did the one thing no villain has ever done, destroy the Tree of Harmony. Not even Tirek could do that while holding all four alicorn's power, Discord's and all the ponies equestria. All while his only purpose was to rebel against the alliance and be killed.