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You need to let the Dashie clone crash at your house :D
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Background Pony #26CD
Me: puts a blanket over the Dashie clone, gives her a teddy bear and pets her goodnight
iTwilightSparkle

Mama to a dragon
@Badumsquish
I like the idea that she’s the only one of the six content to change her name because it’s just easier XD


Something that can be shortened to one word so she doesn't have to put much effort into saying it either.
Like Stormfront, to be cool and sound vaguely dangerous.
or Marney, to reflect her reformation and more relaxed mental state as a result of.
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Not sure if this is relevant or not, but didn't Pinkie have to teach Taffy and her countless sisters the names of her friends? I'm pretty sure none of them originally knew the names of everyone else, they only knew fun at first.
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Background Pony #C822
@Background Pony #89AB
@Background Pony #B9D2
Well if you're just going to cherry pick what "counts" as evidence and claim the rest isn't valid then this whole discussion is as pointless as trying to argue with a flat earther.
It isn't cherry picking. Jim Miller confirmed as far back as May 2016 that the appearance of the duplicate Pinkie "was a gag". And with no additional sightings, no additional development, no work of any kind devoted to making it more than a one off joke, I consider it perfectly acceptable to treat it as exactly that.


@Badumsquish
@Background Pony #A28A
Pretty much the whole episode. Honestly I'm running out of things to say that aren't repeats of what I've already said :P
Well… then I guess we're at an impasse, because I simply don't see it that way. As I said, the one specific moment I remember that could be argued as them "learning" is just them repeating something the original already knew. The rest is just them all having pretty much the same reaction to everything over and over again.

So… agree to disagree, I guess.
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Ping_chan
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Pretty soft for a Sony.
@Badumsquish
For what it matters, I really love the idea of magic bringing a clone into existence, but the clone gains full sentience and decides on her own to become her own individual.
She goes out of her way to come up with her own new name and cutie mark. Trying to do up her hair in a new way to avoid being mistaken for the other original pony.
Trying to make her voice sound original and moving to a new city to start a new life.
Seriously, I do stuff similar to this in my Fallout 4 play throughs with a few alternate start and role playing mods to do "escaped synths" role play sessions. :p
Background Pony #C7E9
@Background Pony #B9D2
Well if you're just going to cherry pick what "counts" as evidence and claim the rest isn't valid then this whole discussion is as pointless as trying to argue with a flat earther.
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Background Pony #99AF
@Badumsquish
That's the thing, though. They were actually shown thinking, feeling, and learning in the episode. A lot, too, like it wasn't a once or twice thing.
Ok, and what are your examples of that? Because I recall the episode, and the only thing I recall that was anything like learning was Pinkie having the clones review the names of individuals they technically already knew as a result of being copied from Pinkie. And as far as emotions were concerned, the real one had the only responses that seemed accurate to the situation. The inability of the clones to fully appreciate or appropriately react to the seriousness of their situation while failed ones were being returned to the pond all around them does not seem indicative of a thinking, feeling entity.


@Badumsquish
Not to mention, the one that was around a little longer and actually spent a bit of time with ponies was considerably smarter and more pony-like than the rest.
It also wasn't a copy of a copy. Most lifelike among the increasingly inferior still does not make it a life.


@Badumsquish
Then a later episode shows they absolutely learn enough to live like normal ponies if given the time to learn. It's a much bigger stretch to assume they're unthinking unfeeling "copies", because the show pretty strongly showed otherwise :P
And I consider it a much more substantial assumption to infer a copy developed to the point of qualifying as a life from a 3 second cameo that, again, was intended as a sight gag, when the show itself never treats them as anything other than mindless copies.
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Badumsquish
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@Background Pony #6C61
That's the thing, though. They were actually shown thinking, feeling, and learning in the episode. A lot, too, like it wasn't a once or twice thing. Not to mention, the one that was around a little longer and actually spent a bit of time with ponies was considerably smarter and more pony-like than the rest. Then a later episode shows they absolutely learn enough to live like normal ponies if given the time to learn. It's a much bigger stretch to assume they're unthinking unfeeling "copies", because the show pretty strongly showed otherwise :P
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Background Pony #1323
@Background Pony #FCCD
Well, your argument is based on the assumption that the clones weren't able to think, feel, act and learn just like real ponies, but Badum doesn't agree with that. Neither of you can prove that your assumption is correct
Yes, I understand that. But my reason for responding (i.e., because I felt he was misinterpreting my previous argument) is an entirely separate issue.


@Background Pony #89AB
Sight gags included solely for the sake of being sight gags are not something I consider "irrefutable proof".
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Background Pony #C7E9
@Badumsquish
@Background Pony #6C61
@Background Pony #FCCD
At the time of the episode, the writers clearly intended for them to not be able to "think, feel, act, and learn just like real ponies." But someone in the animation department decided to change that by adding that one escapee to Saddle Row Review, proving conclusively that the clones are every bit as "alive" as any other pony is. If you take Too Many Pinkie Pies in a vacuum then yes there's no real proof one way or another, but with Saddle Row Review we have clear and irrefutable proof of Badum's viewpoint.
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Background Pony #5F90
@Background Pony #6C61
@Badumsquish
You're missing the point. Your argument is based on the assumption that the clones were able to "think, feel, act, and learn just like real ponies". And I don't agree with that.

Well, your argument is based on the assumption that the clones weren't able to think, feel, act and learn just like real ponies, but Badum doesn't agree with that. Neither of you can prove that your assumption is correct, so this whole argument is really going absolutely nowhere. So let's just stop before the mods have to intervene. Alright?
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Background Pony #C822
@Badumsquish
You're missing the point. Your argument is based on the assumption that the clones were able to "think, feel, act, and learn just like real ponies". And I don't agree with that. I think the test Twilight devises works because, like any reasonably sophisticated computer program, they can only give the appearance of being thinking beings. I mean, think about it… the reason the real Pinkie wins is because she is capable of grasping the stakes and ignoring the random impulses that normally interest/distract her to focus on the task at hand. The clones can't. For all their appearance of thought, they are incapable of not acting based on their "program", derived from the original. It's why they are constantly compelled to act randomly. It's why they traveled around saying fun over and over again. It's why they could not ignore distractions even when their "lives" were on the line. They don't have a say in any of that. They don't think. They don't learn. They aren't alive. And Twilight returning their magic to the pond is no more evil than uninstalling a program you don't like.
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@Background Pony #F903
I find those to be distinctions without difference. When you get down to it we're just electrical impulses and chemical reactions driving a pile of meat, and it makes our lives no less meaningful or valuable. They thought, therefore they were. Besides, I believe an AI or an artificial life that's capable of thinking, feeling, and learning just like a human being is absolutely an individual entitled to the same rights as we have. Not to mention, just that the ponies didn't even consider this evil enough: how meaningless must the lives of others actually be to them to not even consider the possibility that these artificial ponies who think, feel, act, and learn just like real ponies are every bit as "alive" as they are? :P
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Background Pony #5F90
@Background Pony #F903
Well, your argument is heavily predicated on semantics, so one can't really say you're any more or less right than Badum. But I personally would consider the Mirror Pool clones (also the Mean Six) to be just as alive as the original.
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Background Pony #F8C9
@Ping_chan
it's like, if you bring life into the world, even if all of those Pinkie clones were created using magic, they were all still alive like any other Pony, right?
But that assumes they were actually life, and it's just as plausible that they weren't. I mean, with enough skill, you could probably create a computer program that imitates human responses and reactions well enough to almost pass for a human being. But it's not actually sapient, or sentient, or even alive for that matter. The Pinkie clones could easily have been like that… constructs of magical energy that mimicked the patterns of the being they had been exposed to, but not any sort of actual living being.

And it's not like the energy that made them was destroyed anyway. It was just returned to the source, ready to take the form of whatever pops into the pool next.


@Badumsquish
That was a double-standard at its finest. It's right for Twilight to kill non-ponies, but it's wrong for Neighsay to say non-ponies can't go to a school :/
Can't kill what isn't alive to begin with.

I mean don't forget, the pool duplicated Maud's rock once too. And unless we suddenly get a revelation that Boulder is actually alive and has thoughts and hopes and dreams, I'm inclined to think all copies are just as absent actual life. They may exist, they may move, but they aren't alive.
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@Ping_chan
The way I've always imagined they'd work, is it's closer to a partnership than anything else. They're bought and sold, and you "own" them, but it's voluntary on their part. All they really want out of it is to do their designed function, but you have to care for them and treat them well and be a friend and all that as well. At the same time they have the same rights as ponies: mistreating them is no different than mistreating a regular pony, and they'll defend themselves or leave if you do it. They're a handful, and a real responsibility with ups and downs to own, and most only own one or two at most: GMHAA just ended up with a whole houseful XD
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