Well, it did took so many tries, at least it’s cannon now, however, even if he’s already getting a chance and gets redeemed, the only issue is and I’ll spell it out why, he’s unwanted, wasted his entire time on power too much, showing off the others he’s much better than them, but keeps hiding his own weakness, no one ever talk about him so much, no one ever give him credit or a chance, and the fact he never had any passion, develop anything to take back his mistakes he made, in the end, he still doesn’t deserve to be friend with anyone, even if he’s nothing like to Chrysalis, Tirek, Cozy Glow or Grogar, if he was, he would be on death’s list, like if for example. “I hate Garble so much, I want him to die, disappear from the face of the earth, he’s should’ve never exist in the first place!” I’m not asking for toxic haters, okay, especially if some toxic pricks or strangers around are probably doing it anyway, because that might’ve sound like someone’s taking it too far, except who’ve around here ranting about him, well there isn’t a rant because I don’t see one around here, even if none of you aren’t.

Now listen, just because if anyone wants to give him a chance, you can, but I’m not saying that he’s still a jerk, but as an idiot and child, even if he were to start over, still doesn’t, if someone else were to compare him to Pharynx who was a lost cause, still no one ever done anything to him, and he lack on relationship and ideology.

And another thing, if you wished his death all because of his childish idiotry, watch it what you said it, because that means you’re a hypocrite, so don’t.

Whether if you’re satisfy or not.

And last thing I forget to mention is there’s any rants I would want to hear from any of you ranting, get on with it, if not, why is he there in the first place, like who does you think is he, Malefor? I would see him get whacked by some psychotic clown from Nevada because you would whack a stupidest bad guy with a street sign or something painful like many times till you’re satisfy or not.

@Daneasaur  
He’s the defacto leader of a flight of dragons. Strength is how you lead dragons, and one way to show strength is by dominating the weaker races.

erm  
in my defense, i knew he was, i just thought he liked being a douche too

@Starswirl  
What Smolder implies is the other dragons brow beat him into submission because he is so kindhearted.
 
Except we get to see him for extended periods of time, and at no time do any of the other dragons even CONSIDER upstaging Garble. He says a single word, the other dragons fall in line.
 
Moreso, during Dragon Quest, Spike aggressively goes against what Garble wants when Garble wants him to smash the egg. His reply? “No one says no to Garble!” and Garble proceeds to give a very angry chase. A chase so persistent, it took Twilight teleporting them far away to finally escape them.
 
If the “tough guy stuff” was just an act like Smolder claims, then he would have had little issue being kind, especially when the dragon lord commands it of him or he fairly lost a wager. As it stands, Garble deliberately looked for a loophole in shadow play in order to attack Spike after losing the race.

@Daneasaur  
If he’s worse when she’s not around and we never saw her, that’s a good explanation for why he was so bad before, actually.

@Starswirl  
There is something different with Ember, mainly that she and her father brazenly go against the societal norms where a family structure is kept in any manner.
 
Sweet and Smoky clearly shows that mother dragons don’t even watch their own eggs, the job being shoved off on the dragon lord. Thus there is no reason for a parent dragon to have anything to do with the offspring. However, community growth would give reason for, say, “siblings” to work together to survive.
 
Problem, if this is the mindset that Garble is going with, and he really is unsettled when Smolder isn’t around, where is she? Where is she during dragon quest? Where is she during the gauntlet where even SPIKE made it on foot? Even her in the background of shadow play would have been fine, but she doesn’t exist until ember brings her to the school of friendship.
 
With how much emphasis she puts on Garble NEEDING her around, it makes the plot fall farther apart.

@Daneasaur  
Ember is not your typical dragon, though. She’s actively going against old norms. It’s more an example of trying to change what dragon culture currently is. Same goes for Smolder, probably why she was sent to the friendship school in the first place.

@Starswirl  
We only need to compare Garble to Ember.
 
Spike does nice thing for Ember (like saving her life), Ember repays him by keeping Rarity and Twilight hidden and routinely decides to work together with him, but still feels it’s temporary and once they are past a rough point, will move on their own.
 
Spike does nice thing for Garble (removing the slingtail rock from him), Garble laughs at him, “knew you’d do it”, buries him in sand and takes off.
 
The comparison here is that both are performing “dragon culture”, but Ember is showing that there is no shame in repaying a debt, and that working together makes for great success.
 
Garble doesn’t, he finds cooperation to be infuriating.
 
Fast forward to Shadow play and again, Garble is now under obligation to follow a debt (give the Tidus after losing the race). Does he give it? No, he instead finds a law loophole and attacks Spike.
 
Garble showcases that, even within “dragon culture”, which allows for the repayment of acts and following through on bets, he takes it farther and is intentionally cruel and malicious.

@Starswirl  
Not attempting to. My point is, a culture is how you interact with other members of your own culture. When you start interacting with other cultures, that’s different.

@Background Pony #92D8  
I believe we’re talking past each other here. I’m not trying to excuse the dragons’ behavior in any way. I just don’t understand Daneasaur’s point how if something is encouraged in one particular society means that society has nothing to do with it. That’s a contradiction.
 
Maybe Daneasaur also meant something else?

@Starswirl  
The question isn’t whether yaks smashing things is a cultural thing. It clearly is, but they smash their own stuff. They don’t go around looking for other people’s stuff to smash, and generally just stick to themselves. That is the difference between being eccentric and being an asshole. If I regularly punch myself in the face, I am eccentric. If my culture involves punching you in the face, that’s different.

@Background Pony #92D8  
Considering the yaks have several holidays centered around the smashing of things, I believe it’s indeed a cultural thing.

@Starswirl  
Yaks acctually show signs of a culture, though. I mean, the huns did a lot of burning houses, murdering villages, and causing lamentations of women for varioous reasons that I shouldn’t say while talking on a safe image. Is that their culture, or were they just being dicks? What if your entire culture is just being a massive dick to everyone else?

@Background Pony #92D8  
Not what I’m saying. I simply don’t understand how something apparently prevalent in a specific society isn’t “a society thing”.
 
We know smashing is a thing yak society encourages. A lot. Wouldn’t that be like saying yaks smashing is not a cultural thing?

@Starswirl  
You can acknowledge other cultures have different social mores and still not find that acceptable behavior. Dragons are apparently dicks as a species. Okay. Doesn’t make them pleasant to be around and I can’t see ponies just naturally forgiving them because “that’s their way.”

@Daneasaur  
Question. If you say being rude bullies is how dragons work, then how is how Garble acts not a dragon society thing? Even Smolder in that link says other dragons can be “rough”.

@Background Pony #706F  
Too bad for you I have hard counter proof.
 

 
So what was headcanon again?

@Background Pony #706F  
OP is arguing through his mouthpiece that it should not have taken 8 seasons. Garble never showed any effort prior to now, so was not offered redemption.

@Background Pony #92D8  
What do you think that’s episode was for ?

@Daneasaur  
Everything you typed is your headcanon.In fact ,those 2 parts of your rant  
“Dragons? Nope, that is how dragons simply work and how they live. The best story for the holidays? Story of a kind dragon lord getting the scepter stolen and being banished into the outskirts.”
 
“So, no, it’s not a “society” thing that is making him be malicious.”
 
directly contradict each other,you directly state that the dragon culture of machismo influence the dragons then you contradict yourself by clamoring that “it’s not the fault of society”.I totally agree that Garble have a mean streak but with that episode,they more or less established that societal pressure have a lot to play here

Bullies only get friendship if they make an effort to redeem themselves. Garble was a complete dick to Spike and Rainbow Dash.

@Ihhh  
The reason it’s painted SO bad is because it wasn’t something like an infertile store bought chicken egg, but a fertile getting-ready-to-hatch egg.

@thps48  
My point is that he’s painting the act out to be worse than it actually is.

@Ihhh  
He wanted to smash them, but I could definitely imagine phoenix eggs being tasty nevertheless. X3