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nightshroud96

@Incursor
Most likely they dropped them when they reached the place at last(like lightening themselves up since it was a tricky journey).
Or got the bags afterwards to carry the Elements while also making another serious trip to Discord(since most likely the journey to where Discord is at is harder to get to than reaching the tree)
nightshroud96

@Incursor
Most likely those bags are from the sisters trying to journey around to find anything to stop Discord.
Or at least try to traverse through the messed up terrain from Discord's reality-warping mess.
Incursor

@nightshroud96
Valid points. But in the show there's the question of where their saddle bags and scuff marks came from if they immediately when after Discord after getting the Elements.

I agree the comic is flawed, but the show isn't that much better about it.
nightshroud96

@Incursor
The problem is, the sisters had armor specified for the Elements.
Making it look like they had the Elements for quite some time.
In their fight with Discord, they seem to have quickly grabbed them after first discovering them and brought it with them in a bag.
Discord most likely knew about the tree due to his reality-warping stuff but didn't expect said tree to crap out magical mcguffins.
Heck,
Discord didn't seem to realize the tree is capable of surprising his Plundervines, given his line of "They should have hatched a long time ago". Most likely the vines were drawn to the tree when the tree finally gave out and ensared it, along with other stuff(aside from the sisters Discord intended for the vines to snatch up)
Incursor

@nightshroud96
I think it was supposed to be flashback in "Princess Twilight Sparkle" of them 1st getting the Elements was during Cosmos' rampage at the start of the arc which they thought was Discord's doing.

It would explain why Discord, who knew about the Tree by the time they used the Elements on him given his plan with the plunderseeds, didn't just destroy the Tree when he was supposedly evil enough to want to. And why the princesses were so haggard when they faced Discord despite so little time allegedly passing if Cosmos happed in-between. (As for how his escape plan would seeming destroy the Elements poor planning is in-character for him. As for why only temporarily imprison himself…ok I can call that bad writing.)

Just because a story is bad doesn't mean it's not a fit for the continuity.
nightshroud96

@Incursor
Iirc, turns out the sisters had the Elements while Cosmos popped up.
I think.

Wished the creators knew that this arc really smeared something on the Royal Sisters but also caused a bunch of issues.
Incursor

@nightshroud96
Understood. I'm not saying the arc is justified just that there is president. There was a reason the creators thought it would be OK and this might be why.

The potion flashbacks took place between the memories Discord altered (acquiring the Element to use on Discord which was before they realized it was Cosmos' doing and when they did use them on Discord).
nightshroud96

@Incursor
Depends on how that potion works. Like did it really show what happen or is it just based off of someone's memories.


By erase I mean like outright confirm that the season 10 comics and show exclude that arc.
Like retconning that arc. Like say there is nothing on the moon, telling the viewers that Cosmos did not happen at all.

The culmination of the direction of the show doesn't justify this iffy arc. Ever
Incursor

@nightshroud96
"Princess Twilight Sparkle" already did that by showing they just found the Elements and zapped Discord, no fight nor drama. And that they were willing to risk redeeming Discord show his actions weren't as evil as we assumed.

I understand your dissatisfaction, but keep in mind this is the culmination of the direction the show took these things. And how could they erase it without bringing it up? (Anon-A-Miss showed ignoring it won't make the dislike go away.) And I doubt the comics even have enough internal continuity to make discounting it meaningful.
nightshroud96

I really hated the thing with Discord altering the memories of the princesses like that.
The "retcon" here messed up one of the Royal Sisters' big achievements, making it basically end up being a lie in a way.

It just hope the Cosmos arc is just ERASED and never brought up in the season 10 comics.
Incursor

Just realized something. All the time the series is criticized for Aesop Amnesia, and this is the one place it would be a better, more in-character explanation than what we got.
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Celestia was princess during this time. As of Season 8 she was doing what made her princess for 1111 years, giving a less than 110 year window for these to overlap. Doable but more implausible then you're arguing.

I just realized more continuity errors in this Tirek thing. "FIENDship" stats Celestia was Princess then, but "Legends of Magic" stats Star Swirl dealt with Tirek when she was still in training, which contradicts "Twilight's Kingdom" where after befriending Star Swirl (seemingly contradicting Star Swirl's "once a villain aways a villain" mindset established in Season 7), Scorpan went to the princess who imply they were the ones who defeated Tirek. This wouldn't be necessary if Star Swirl was the hero of the era and why wouldn't the princess say it was Star Swirl who did it when telling the story. Did anything from "The Ending of the End" suggest the retcons from "Legends" were applied to the show?
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I think that the Tirek situation took place before Luna and Celestia took over as rulers of Equestria — Scorpan interacted directly with Starswirl, and Starswirl vanished before Luna and Celestia were even fully grown. If the "young unicorn" comment is to be taken literally and taking into account the time needed for Tirek to go from a teenager to an adult, then there would be even more time between the events in FIENDship is Magic and here — several decades at least, enough for Tirek to mature and then for Starswirl to age.
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Couldn't agree more, and I think the conversation ran its course already anyway. Our reasoning and viewpoints couldn't be any more foreign to the other if we were speaking different languages, and nothing of value would be gained by continuing. I'd gladly agree to disagree and end the conversation here. :)
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Kind of hypocritical dont you think?
You DO realize that's exactly what you've been doing, while I've been pointing out what is and isn't actually in the source material. If it's stated as canon within the narrative of the story, then within that story, it's truth. That's the bottom line.


By that logic, I've been pointing out what is and isn't actually in the source material better than you. After all, Discord has knowing we withheld important factors or told half truths and lies for his benefit on numerous occasions. This shouldn't be any different.


Your opinions have nothing to do with facts. Their baseless, Mr. "Doesn't need to be a page."

It does need to be a page. Cite it. Now.


Like I said, he's been known to lie and withhold important aspects just to benefit himself. Which is perfectly in character for him to do.

Besides, you in particular haven't cited everything considering the fact that you keep claiming that Discord spreading chair after he broke free was just him trying to punish Celestia for an unjust punishment placed on him, despite of never being stated in the show or the comics.

So where's THAT proof? Hm?


And thus, my point is proven. You just said in regards to what YOU can accept. But that doesn't matter to anyone but yourself. Its not your story, so your acceptance has no bearing. That's a harsh reality, not an opinion.


Not really, aspects of the comic being canonical to the series pertain to how well they mesh with the Canon of the show. Case in point, King Sombra's backstory and the Mirrorverse Arc, both of which are non-canon.


In this story, this explanation above is maintained as truth, and isn't denied by the end of the story. The End.


No it isn't.

Like I said before, if he really wasn't as bad in the past, then the elements wouldn't have punished him so harshly, but they did, so by default he was. And his actions after he broke free further prove that, since he had every intention of making Equestria his chaotic Empire forever regardless of his girlfriendnd being there or not.

Discord as still evil back then, and he deserved his punishment.


And drop the ridiculous "Dicord is a liar thus my assumption could still be truth" nonsense. You have to actually prove it's a lie, and most of Discord's lies get revealed by the end of the story. If they are not revealed to be lies at all, then within the story, it's the truth.


That's beyond stupid.

By your logic, everything Chrysalis said that wasn't revealed as a lie should be the objective truth, right?

Like I pulled it out numerous times before, if he really wasn't lying and really wasn't evil back then, then the elements wouldn't have Frozen him. But they did, so he was.

You're the only one here who's desperately grasping for straws just so you can pretend that Discord was secretly a good guy when in reality he was evil even when his girlfriend was taken care of.

If that were the case, then he would have left Equestria alone. But he decided to keep causing Havoc. So he got what he deserved.

So yes, he is lying about not being that bad.

You really want the conversation to end? Give it up and stopped pretending he's a Saint.
CronoM

@Alphamon_Ouryuken
And drop the ridiculous "Dicord is a liar thus my assumption could still be truth" nonsense. Not everything he says is a lie, in fact he's equally fond of harsh truths. You have to actually prove it's a lie, and Discord's lies always get revealed by the end of the story. If they are not revealed to be lies at all, then within the story, it's the truth.
CronoM


You want this to end? Zip it and stop acting like your opinion is the only objective fact here.


Kind of hypocritical dont you think?
You DO realize that's exactly what you've been doing, while I've been pointing out what is and isn't actually in the source material. If it's stated as canon within the narrative of the story, then within that story, it's truth. That's the bottom line.

Neither of our opinions matter cause baseless interpretation is worthless, so instead of speculating and passing it off as some sort of "fact", I CITE instead.

Your opinions have nothing to do with facts. Their baseless, Mr. "Doesn't need to be a page."

It does need to be a page. Cite it. Now.

Or just admit you personally can't accept what's being stated on this page. Drop the needless aggression and just be honest.

I can accept that aspects of the comic are canonical to the series, but this is not one of them


And thus, my point is proven. You just said in regards to what YOU can accept. But that doesn't matter to anyone but yourself. Its not your story, so your acceptance has no bearing. That's a harsh reality, not an opinion.



In this story, this explanation above is maintained as truth, and isn't denied by the end of the story. The End.
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So an established dialogue, in this page approved by Hasbro and IDW, being a lie is a fact only because YOU think it is.


(Sigh) That's not how reality works, and you KNOW that's not how reality works.


No, it's a fact because it's perfectly within discords character avoid telling the full truth. As well as the fact that it makes more sense character-wise considering the fact that again, if he was truly innocent he wouldn't have tried to dominate Equestria a second time, regardless of whether he felt his punishment was deserved or not.

A criminal who took the blame for someone else's crimes and won't relinquish that information doesn't get to choose their punishment just because they deem the current ones unsatisfactory. That's how reality works

Your argument is a non existent one. Your are pushing your headcanon and your narrative onto already existing fictional characters and an already written story that you have absolutely no control or weight over. Nobody at Hasbro or IDW who wrote and approved this CARES what you think of your headcanon version of Discord.


Stop talking like you speak for me, unlike you, I'm not desperately clinging to the idea that he's some sort of Saint who shouldn't have been punished. You're the one who's making up half-assed assumptions that she deserves to have his thoughts on how he was punished taking into consideration despite all of his wrongdoings. You're the one pretending that he apparently has a right to put Equestria through the same turmoil as he did a thousand years ago yet again.

Where is the page where Discord admits he was lying to Fluttershy?

SPOILER: It doesn't exist.


Doesn't need to be a page. It's perfectly in character for him to openly lie about something like that and refrain from divulging important information. Given his track record regarding other episodes such as when he pretended to be sick, or when he pretend to not know where the plunder Vines came from despite being the one who planted the seeds, something which occurred after he had apparently reformed mind you.

So yeah, him lying about being innocent in the grand scheme of things? Pretty much more in character for him than him actually being innocent.

If he was truly innocent, then the elements would have done something less drastic. But they sealed him in stone because he was a danger to everyone around him even without his girlfriend.

And what is even with some of your arguments?

"Why do you think he didn't bring this up to anyone other then Fluttershy?"??

Umm, because he only cares what Fluttershy thinks of him. This is canon in the show. He was only willing to save people from the changeling's when Fluttershy got captured.


That fact about him is what makes him less trustworthy as well. He ONLY cares about Fluttershy, to the point where he acts like a total jackass to everyone who's not her. But that doesn't automatically mean he's above manipulating her, just that he does it to a less extreme than with everyone else.

Him caring about the way she feels about him in particular would honestly be an even bigger motivation for him to lie about this kind of thing. Notice how Fluttershy never questions why he didn't just explain himself when he first broke out of the stone prison? Again, because he knew she'd be naive enough to believe it at face value.

This is about the 10th time I've told you that Discord is absolutely not a saint, that he's a snake and a troll but he has some standards…and this about the 11th time you've accused me of calling Discord a saint.


Because you keep pretending that he's justified in spreading chaos across Equestria when he escaped just because he thought that his punishment was too extreme, despite the fact that he took the blame for his girlfriend's actions, which were apparently worse than what he did, and even after his girlfriend was dealt with he still went out of his way to mess with the civilians of Equestria and the royal sisters to the point where they needed to get the elements to deal with him.

At that point, it doesn't matter if he thought his punishment was too harsh, he brought it upon himself by not staying away from a question after caused so much trouble on top of the crimes that he took the blame for.

He was still evil back then, just less so than his girlfriend, and as I said before, if he really wasn't that bad, then the elements would have done something less harsh.

This level of inability to listen is getting more then a little ridiculous. :/


Glass houses.

Dude, I think your projecting a little. You know just as well as I do that there is no canon page where he says the page above is a lie, that in no way will everyone universally accept your extremely personal interpretation, no matter how well thought out you THINK it is.


The pretentiousness of your tone really speaks volumes considering the fact that again, I've simply pointed out why his above statements make no sense given his actions in both the past and the series as a whole. You're the one who keeps pretending that he was justified in his actions.

It's because there's no paid saying it's a lie doesn't automatically mean that he's being 100% truthful. Once again, he's the spirit of chaos and deceit, of course he would falsify details to make himself look good.

Your issues with Discord are simply your own personal issues with Discord, as well as your issues with this comic, which while has tenuous canonicity being a comic, was still approved and must be treated as such. If you want to argue that all the comics are non canon, then that's another conversation entirely. But this whinefest of yours is getting a little too heated as it is. Please calm down.


Once again, stop pretending that you speak for me objectively.

I can accept that aspects of the comic are canonical to the series, but this is not one of them, at least not discord's recounting of his role in spreading chaos anyway.

Plus, last I checked, you're the one bellyaching over the fact that Discord is innocent in all of his wrongdoings and was justified in causing Untold Mayhem across Equestria just because he didn't like his punishment.

So yeah, you are pretending that Discord is the saint in the grand scheme of things since you keep claiming that he should be allowed to punish others just because he didn't like his own punishment. Which is beyond stupid.

Discord is a liar and we all know it, so why wouldn't he save about this kind of thing?

You want this to end? Zip it and stop acting like your opinion is the only objective fact here.
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CronoM

@Alphamon_Ouryuken
So an established dialogue, in this page approved by Hasbro and IDW, being a lie is a fact only because YOU think it is.

(Sigh) That's not how reality works, and you KNOW that's not how reality works.

Your argument is a non existent one. Your are pushing your headcanon and your narrative onto already existing fictional characters and an already written story that you have absolutely no control or weight over. Nobody at Hasbro or IDW who wrote and approved this CARES what you think of your headcanon version of Discord.

Where is the page where Discord admits he was lying to Fluttershy?

SPOILER: It doesn't exist.

And what is even with some of your arguments?

"Why do you think he didn't bring this up to anyone other then Fluttershy?"??

Umm, because he only cares what Fluttershy thinks of him. This is canon in the show. He was only willing to save people from the changeling's when Fluttershy got captured.

This is about the 10th time I've told you that Discord is absolutely not a saint, that he's a snake and a troll but he has some standards…and this about the 11th time you've accused me of calling Discord a saint.

This level of inability to listen is getting more then a little ridiculous. :/



Dude, I think your projecting a little. You know just as well as I do that there is no canon page where he says the page above is a lie, that in no way will everyone universally accept your extremely personal interpretation, no matter how well thought out you THINK it is.

Your issues with Discord are simply your own personal issues with Discord, as well as your issues with this comic, which while has tenuous canonicity being a comic, was still approved and must be treated as such. If you want to argue that all the comics are non canon, then that's another conversation entirely. But this whinefest of yours is getting a little too heated as it is. Please calm down.
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You still seem to be confusing fact for your personal headcanon.


That applies to you more than me.


I'm not sure if I or anyone can communicate with you properly until you can come to terms with this simple idea.


You're the one pretending that Discord was secretly a saint. I'm just seeing it for the load of bull that it is.

Harsh =/= 1000+ years. Principles have a breaking point. There's broad strokes between harsh punishment, and completely unyielding punishment. If someone tortured you or me via normal torture or some form of isolation for 1000 years, you'd be an entirely different person by the end of it. I say "+" because Celestia was surprised Discord was able to escape. Ergo, she had no intention of EVER freeing Discord before planning her retirement via grooming Twilight, presumably pre S1.


Discord wasn't tortured, he was thrown into suspended animation, there's a difference.

Not to mention the fact that Celestia had every right to keep him that way considering the fact that he still terrorized her subjects and had no intention of stopping even after his girlfriend was sealed away (if he did he would have left for his home dimension instead of continuously harassing the royal of), if it got to the point where Celestia had to consider using the elements, which was implied to be a last resort for her, then he has no one to blame but himself. So putting that on top of the amount of crimes that he took the blame for, she had every right to keep him stuck like that for as long as she saw fit.

And as I pointed out before, lying and leaving out certain details is pretty much what he does. So of course he wasn't telling the full truth, why do you think he didn't bring this up with anyone other than Fluttershy? Because she's the only one who'd be naive enough to believe him.
CronoM

@Alphamon_Ouryuken

Discord is lying. FACT.

You still seem to be confusing fact for your personal headcanon.

I'm not sure if I or anyone can communicate with you properly until you can come to terms with this simple idea.

Harsh =/= 1000+ years. Principles have a breaking point. There's broad strokes between harsh punishment, and completely unyielding punishment. If someone tortured you or me via normal torture or some form of isolation for 1000 years, you'd be an entirely different person by the end of it. I say "+" because Celestia was surprised Discord was able to escape. Ergo, she had no intention of EVER freeing Discord before planning her retirement via grooming Twilight, presumably pre S1.