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Saturday Morning CONtoons  - August 23-25, 2019

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And there’s the end of easy theories. Next up, i’ll be going for something more mathsy, I think..

The alternative theory with the eyes of the changedlings being dimmer is that they have a covering layer atop, but I feel this is a better explanation
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ThePonyTheorist
@GrimChariot
It’s possible that he only charges the magic when needed, through the normal processes. Since the throne had been there a long time, it leeched out all of the naturally-occuring precursor molecules from the local air, making a large concentration gradient which sucked the precursors out of Discord. We can see this by the impact of the throne on local wildlife – it drained various minerals necessary for life out of the plants, probably through magic-generation in the plants.

Remember, the amount of "catalyst" is what denotes the power of an entity, being what Discord drains. As Discord had a LOT of catalyst, he could generate a lot of magic quickly. What this COULD imply is a very fast decay rate of charged magic… Which would be expected, given how reactive the stuff is. Ions which react with stone to crystallize and deposit into the forms of various gemstones depending on which fractions break off..
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GrimChariot
@ThePonyTheorist
True, but utilizing an aspect of a force secondary to it’s generation or use doesn’t mean it’s the basis for the entire system, even more so as my point was to state a potentially secondary function to the throne’s abilities/enchantments.

I’d also argue that the throne may have been more then one piece, but carved to fit much like a puzzle, either amplifying or altering how it’s effects manifested.

And true, Discord has a physical body, but the sheer amount of power possessed by him sit’s above that of multiple Alicorn’s making him the most concentrated, and by extension, the most powerfully charged, entity barring those introduced to the comics. And since his ability to cast was halted, altering his physical and energy based properties was no longer an option, which coupled with his shock at the thrones effect means he’d not have prepared for such an encounter prior, nor during.

If the throne operated by charge alone Discord would be having far more then a mute effect on his magic applied to him, even if it amounted to a slight change in balance as it tampered with his equilibrium.
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ThePonyTheorist
@GrimChariot
You’re assuming that Discord is made entirely of magic, which was shown to be inaccurate when Tirek didn’t completely consume him. He has a lot of magic, but he has a physical body nonreliant on that magic.

Your explanation of alpha and beta just back up my point of it having to be magnetic – there are no other forces the naturally-occuring stone could use to drag in magic other than magnetism, or some innately-present runes which, for some reason, give changeling-magic a pass (unlikely)
GrimChariot
@ThePonyTheorist
For all intents the throne serves as a great subject simply because it doesn’t have on/off capabilities, so it works.

While it’s true the throne does siphon magic, I’m of the oppinion it’s a secondary effect to it canceling, otherwise Discord by definition would’ve been dragged bodily to it and stuck like a fridge magnet.

That said it’s possible that even if magic operates as a form of radiation it could be drawn towards certain things, since, to a degree, Alpha and Beta radiation do technically possess some mass and charge. The throne may also attempt to drag latent energy and the resulting feedback of a failed cast to increase it’s own power, as at the size of field it supported it may take exponential amounts of power to further increase it’s range, hence why the four didn’t produce any noticeable alteration during Chrysalis’ fall.

This all is based on there not being a seperate element/elements or additional forms of universal that don’t exist or function in our reality and their respective interactions, rather then a potentially native compound as yet undiscovered, as adding that would make both our point’s moot.
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ThePonyTheorist
@GrimChariot
So "cushioning", to put it simply. As for species unable to use it outside of subconscious means, i’d imagine it’s incorporated into their muscles somehow, or something related.

While Twilight in Equestria Girls implies that magic either is (or emits) something akin to light (I lean toward emits, as i’ve shown before that magic is carried in gas in Equestria), that still does not explain how any attempted spell in the changeling lands is sucked inwards, towards the throne. Even Starlight’s stationary glow is pulled in faster than she moves her head

In terms of how two entities charged in the same manner impacting one another works (i’d assume you’re discussing two unicorns in close proximity), it’s possible that it only becomes charged while charged magic is being generated through emotions, allowing a certain level of control over how much power is contained in an organic vessel.

We’re discussing the throne for something of this scale, I assume? If you’re talking about how this ’stable positive ion’ could exist.. Well, I see no better alternative. It could be a constant reaction making an equilibrium, I suppose, and we do keep ionic liquids around IRL in batteries. And the throne is certainly not organic.
GrimChariot
@ThePonyTheorist
I’ve one idea as to what evolutionary pressure could feasibly generate such eyes, primarily because even with magic, early precursor species would’ve more then likely be killed easily simple due to how large the occipital cavities would be, but it fails to account for the rest of the species outside of Ponies.

Field of veiw, as that would greatly benefit the majority since predators like Dragons exist, thought this is hinged on their eyes operating much like a fisheye lens rather then how human eyes do.

It also fails to account for the species who possess magic but lack use of it outside of subconcious means, as Griffons are one of the few species to have wings potentially capable of lifting their bodies sans magic.

I feel as though Chrysalism throne may very well operate on a principle more akin to radio jamming rather then magnetism, which would treat Magic more akin to radiation with controllable effects on atomic systems, albeit not as we understand the concept. As I lack a degree in physics going deeper into detail would prove cumbersome or outright wrong.

Add to that magnetism as a base theory fails to account how two entites charged in the same manner might be able to affect one another instead of simply repelling each other, failing to make contact without a shield, or forcing impossible to contain amounts of power into organic vessels to catastrophic results.

For a magnetic system to operate at this scale, one would have to be generating power akin to supernova’s to generate such effects, sustaining them and not being torn apart by them simply isn’t possible on the scale of an organic entity lest it be larger then a significant majority of objects in our solar system.
ThePonyTheorist
@CountColtnackh
…Oh wow, I really should, thanks for the suggestion :D I kinda wanna tag my images with my name, but doubt the tagging system is made for that, lol. Just keep an eye out for me in the "theory" tag if ’ya want more, i’ve got 3 pages of uploads

@GrimChariot
With the crystallization, that’d be a factor to take into account with the "ideal concentration" / immediate filtration into the horn (notice how Starlight uncontrollably vented anger-fuelled magic in one episode, which could be one of those immediate-filtration mechanisms)- or, alternatively, runes inside the eyes specifically keep it from crystallizing. As for the catalyzation producing heat – that depends on how exothermic the reaction is, any damage-control mechanisms in the eyes or transfer of heat through some mechanism,and how much of the energy is instead released as light.

The idea of the nervous system acting as a channel is interesting – indeed, it would explain how species other than unicorns can use magic. However, the question then becomes: what other selective pressure would reliably cause species’ eyes to grow that disproportionately large? If they’re taking in this gas (and it IS a gas) through breathing, how harmful would the activation of this likely-ionic substance be?

And please, if you have ANY explanation for Chrysalis’s throne other than ’magic is ionic, changeling magic is neutral, and the throne is strongly magnetic’, please say. Runes don’t work, as her throne was carved from an ancient stone with that exact power.
GrimChariot
@ThePonyTheorist
That would more then likely result in the crystalization of such material inside the eye, or at the very least limit the refraction of light to allow the eyes to register with rods and cones.

The catalyzation of such materials would also generate a massive amount of heat, potentially causing damage to the brain and the surrounding nervous tissues.

The most likely outcome is the entire nervous system can act as a channel, or to pull a Mass Effect, they could possess a secondary neural network specifically to handle that overload.

Whether it is fluid based like the Krogans from ME is a different topic all together, but the likelihood of them sustaining that power even for a short time purely through the eyes is both physically dangerous and potentially mentally dangerous for a multitude of reasons.
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ThePonyTheorist
@GrimChariot
"But the size of their eyes wouldn’t be tied to it in the slightest"

Unless the large open area inside the eyes allows an ideal concentration of some magic-catalyzing substance necessary for spells, with a moist outside exposure available to take in a precursor from the air, in close-proximity to the emotion-producing and thus charge-giving brain.
GrimChariot
@Background Pony Number 17
Well, they wouldn’t have eyelids along the same lines as ponies nor be able to express with them because they’d be solid like glass.

@Goddess Erosia
As to whether or not eyes have anything to do with magic, it’s more likely they just serve as an excellent projecter due to density of nerves in proximity to the brain and thus the focus of the magic since Pony’s don’t bother with using staffs’, wands or other foci to prevent self harm on negative feedback or failure.

But the size of their eyes wouldn’t be tied to it in the slightest,
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Goddess Erosia
please call me mom~<3
Pony eyes aren’t huge because it has something to do with magic, wtf? Don’t make reaches like that. They’re large because Lauren Faust has a history of making cartoon characters with really large eyes….
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