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Eeyup. I think Lauren Faust said Celestia was Spike’s mom, anyway.
@Brony kaiju soldier
I don’t think this will stop the artist from seeing Twilight and Spike’s relationship as mother and son but if that’s how they see it then it is what it is.
But now that the show made it official and the facts are finally shown, we can finally put this whole thing to rest.
Eeyup.
Fair enough. I didn’t mind if you did anyway.
Some of the people who watch those kinds of tags are some of the site’s biggest ducks and trolls, and the derail here has nothing to do with the image so I’m going to remove those so the drama doesn’t get restarted by people looking for “that kind of fun”.
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It sounds like this is done, so please if you want to say more, use the forums.
I don’t consider IDW to be canon, in fact most fans don’t because it’s just as inconsistent and contradicting, I even explained why the comics doesn’t apply to the original series in the previous comments and I’m not going to again. Look back and see what I mean and why it doesn’t, and if you’re not going to then what’s the point of you bringing this up to me?
I don’t expect Twilight to be a perfect parent/guardian, but if she were to be his “parent” and considering she hatched Spike’s egg then it shows that Spike is Twilight’s responsibility and that’s a big deal especially if you’re raising a child and while she’s not completely irresponsible that doesn’t change the fact that she lacks the competence of being a parent/guardian and while looking at your past comments on how you’ve stated that MLP is not meant to be “realistic” you’d be surprised how fans can connect to certain characters and relate to situations that actually do occur in real life and how certain characters or episodes can come off as controversial i.e. Derpy, Cutie Map, and negligence does come off as a serious issue in real life.
Ironically, you’re literally writing a fan comic about Spike’s past with Twilight and how she comes off as a bad parent to Spike.
Perhaps in your opinion and compared Twilight’s other relationships and past episode it’s just seen by many that she’s not giving him the support as much as others expect her to. Even if she did we usually see it in episodes where they’re centered around Spike which aren’t very good in which there were only a few good episodes revolving around him.
I don’t know where that came but you’ve mentioned how Twilight said that she felt that she let him down all those years right after failing to teach Spike “how to fly” (which I explained and you’ve seem to ignored) and how she wasn’t able to help find full closure about himself due to be the only dragon in Ponyvile as I stated before that’s not entirely true because she has tried to help him before back in DQ but claims that they’re too rare and scary to study but yet knows about the dragon migration and that she could’ve studied him to learn more about Dragon biology and that in Gauntlet of Fire, Twilight states she’ll be able to learn more information about dragons in the future but that never came to be.
I’ve brought all of this as an example and to add a bit of food for thought but I feel you haven’t even followed and read the things I’ve said and just concluded that I’m just nitpicking.
The thing is when developing a character especially if it revolves around a story or a lore, is learning from there mistakes and improve themselves, not repeat the same mistakes and make it worse and a regressing a character in order to create conflict for a story and force development is the worst way to do it especially when writing a character in a lore and MLP’s characters does suffer this and the only character that doesn’t seem to suffer this is Rarity in her own centered episodes (though we have yet receive a bad Rarity episode). Do you understand what I’m trying to say here?
Look …it’s obvious that you don’t see what I see and the feeling is mutual, and I’ve already stated that it’s better to agree to disagree and you’ve also agreed on that but if this continues this it’s really going to be ridiculous to the point that stuff like this could get either of us banned after when one of the mods told us to stop and honestly I am not that obsessed on the subject whether Spike was raised by Twilight or if Twilight’s a good parent or not and I am not willing jeopardize my access to the website on such a manner but if you want we can take this to the forums as the mod suggested and we can continue this debate there if you’d like if you’re that insistent on continuing the subject. But if not then we can both agree that we’re entitled to our own opinions and leave it that.
So whatever you do, good luck and have a safe year.
But it has been said three times! Each episode manuscript is read and approved by Meghan McCarthy in accordance with Hasbro’s show bible, so writers cannot just invent stuff… Plus, even if you don’t see IDW as canon - where this story was already told - it’s also been approved by Hasbro.
I spent a week arranging screenshots proving otherwise ;~~) Not to mention we probably have very different idea of what “good” parent means and whetver imperfect parent is still a parent.
She sees him as her family. At the ned of the day that’s the important part.
I’m…confused about the point you are trying to make and what it has to do with anything, but I also think you love nitpicking and I see nitpicking as the opposite of creativity so it’s not for me…
Oh, this again. They already made a song about it! If you read a book about writing for tv you will quickly discover that this is how it is done ~~ characters need to learn same stuff again or the show ends. However in MLP every single main character has developed into “great character” already.
Absolutely.
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Should I add the “Derail in the Comments” tag? Cause this is getting kinda ridiculous.
It would be great if everyone could please take this tangental conversation elsewhere. Please stop explaining yourself.
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If you’ve been following this conversation then you know the artist techically replied to me once while replying and quoting the things I stated while replying to other anonymous users I don’t know if the artist will reply or not but I’m just putting my thoughts out there and even if I did end things it’s not just me but there are others that are in on this debate.
If you mean Twilight Velvet is not Spike’s “ blood mother” then that’s fair. Overall I stopped bothering with it hours ago.
That has nothing to do with this image. Please use the forums for discussions unrelated to this image.
I think he(and myself except without the tag changes) is simply trying to argue Twilight jr is not his mom because she wouldn’t have been a good mom and those around her would have known that. I don’t know about the whole Twilight sr being his mom, though. My headcanon is more that Spike was raised communally between Twilight’s family & maybe the castle staff and doesn’t really consider any one pony a parent as everyone’s family. Again, just a headcanon.
The artist has replied to you - repeatedly - and it’s clear that you aren’t going to be satisfied. Twilight Sparkle isn’t even in this image, so it’s really time that you take this obsession about whether her character would or wouldn’t have made a good mother to the forums.
Whatever your head canon, you are welcome to it, but Twilight Velvet is not Spike’s mother. Please stop adding those tags.
I never said nor suggested that but the idea of Celestia or Twilight’s parents raising Spike makes more sense than Twilight raising Spike at such a young age while lacking social skills at the time and the idea of that would be worrying if it were true and this applies to the original series. I know it’s what you’re adding and making in your story but I have yet to see an actual episode of that actually happening but until then I’m not gonna believe the fact that Twilight raised Spike.
Well sorry to say this but Twilight’s obviously not a good parent as shown in previous episodes and as I said before if Spike sees her as a sister then a mother than that harshness loses its tone and I’m not sure what Twilgiht sees as Spike other than an assistant.
Also what you said is not entirely true as back in Dragon Quest she was trying to help Spike in gaining more knowledge about dragons but claims that they’re too “rare and scary” to study which is contradictory because she knew of the dragon migration since the beginning of the episode and she has Spike which she was given to as a rare dragon egg for her exams and whom she hatched, and could’ve studied him to help Spike have more closure about his draconic side and even perhaps spread such knowledge to ponies across Equestria, as it is shown and stated that little is known about dragons and dragon culture.
Opposed to Gauntlet of Fire, where she’s supposedly now in good terms with Ember and claimed that she’ll get more information from her about dragons but still acts like she doesn’t know anything about them, which is rather inconsistent and speaking of which…
And that’s the problem, the series is supposed to have a lore that constantly teaches Friendship and morals for each character to learn from their mistakes and develop into great characters as certain events take place but at the same time there were episodes where certain characters had to constantly learn the same lesson and be regressed, making them the opposite of who they are and what they stand for and act as if certain events from previous episodes didn’t happen, perhaps you may not see it that way but it’s been issue for so long that most fans have a problem with.
And the part with Smolder stepping in and teaching Spike how to fly better we only found out that all Spike had to do was “bend his wings” to which Smolder pointed out that it’s “Dragon 101” implying that it’s just basic flying, try to compare that to MD where his flying was more advanced during the fight scene with the Roc and previous episodes where he was flying with no problem before FKB. It’s easy to read between the lines and comes across as pointless.
Well agree to disagree.
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In my opinion she was both good and bad. I also don’t think - as I mentioned below - that she was left in charge unsupervised and without any support. I am also a little bit wary of using arguments that anti social mother is not a mother or is a bad mother. This is unfair. People with range of antisocial disorders are still parents. People who need help to raise their kids are still parents.
Finally, I am also wary of comparing MLP to real life too much. I don’t want to use “it’s just a cartoon!” argument - because I know it’s lazy - but it is fantasy. It was never meant to be realistic. You need to apply some degree of “cartoon logic”. I have noticed that show creators often give this sort of answer, too - they are less concerned about such things than we are.
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And that’s what I think! Nobody said she was left to her own devices, unsupervised and without any help.
The adults in my life all helped raise me too. Doesn’t make them my primary caregivers. I’m not saying there are parts of pre S1 twilight would have been a completely had influence on Spike. Her intellect is certainly something someone who looks up to her could admire. But an extremely anti social child like Twilight was prior to S1 would have been a really bad mom.
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