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All the wrong that ever was, is, will be and possibly could be has converged on this one, singular picture. Some kind of quantum wrong singularity from which no right can spring from.

You tell her, Starlight.

@Scrounge
 
Well she at least seemed more like a background entity in those episodes like and influential force since you saw a bit of her in the setting effected by her.
 
Nowadays she’s completely worthless to the setting. She’s almost impossible to take seriously that relies completely on headcanon to justify anymore.
 
It’s ridiculous how the writers managed to irreversible fuck up her character permanently without actually trying.

@Dracorex  

 
Did the writers ever know what to do with Celestia? It seems to me that her main role in the first couple seasons was as a friendship report receptacle.

@CronoM  

 
Wasn’t that what Faust said the original point of Zecora was, back in the Magical Horse stage?
 
Anyway, my issue with Celestia is the same one I have with Spike: the current writers don’t really know what to do with her.

@Dracorex  
Well yeah, everybody already knows that Twilight was supposed to be Celestia’s prospective successor, Lauren Faust told us that outright. So we understand what your getting at. And yeah, that didn’t necessarily mean that were going to pull through with it, and, again, within the show all of Twilight’s victories are shared and more then half of her friends know more about friendship AND have grown more then she has.
 
Like you said, why she thought Twilight was leader material, beyond being good puppet leader material(she really is that easily led), is beyond us.
 
Starswirld’s book may have been a badly written technicality, but it was also a badly written foundation. The writers themselves wrote Spike’s dialogue in Rainbow Rocks to reflect it being a foundation.
 
We really can’t trust any of Celestia’s decisions regarding Twilight. Zecora has been a lot more in the role of ‘wise moral guide’ then Celestia, yet Celestia is the one in charge of the plot more or less.
 
And add Sunset Shimmer’s growth as a protagonist and how enormously her personal growth overshadowed Twilight’s in the eyes of many fans, and we have a incredibly conflicted show.

@PonyPon
 
It was a pretty common belief back in the day that Celestia had been grooming Twilight as her eventual replacement (e.g. Apotheosis). I personally never imagined they’d have the temerity to actually do it for realsies unless it was as a series finale or a time skip, but they did so I guess that shows what I know.
 
Once upon a time, I had a point but it was lost.
 
Oh yeah, the point was that Starswirl’s spell was a technicality and Celestia had been planning this all along. Why she thought Twilight was leader material we’ll never know but it happened and we have to deal with it.
 
*insert James Downey from Billy Madison here, because I’m making this up on the spot and have no idea where I’m going with it.

@Background Pony #A2F2  
Everything else that qualified were shared victories.

@PonyPon  
That’s possible (though personally I don’t think the dialog is meant to imply that meta-critcism). They can dislike part of the episode and think it was still good overall, though.
 
@Jades  
Does… does anyone really think Twilight earned her wings just for what she did in MMC?

@Background Pony #A2F2
 
Well at the very least they felt Twilight didn’t earn her wings in that episode.

Hahaha, no.

@Background Pony #A2F2  
Or at least feel secure enough to acknowledge that aspect was poorly done.

@CronoM  

So that, plus M. A. Larson saying the writing for MMC was rushed, is proof that the writers hate the episode.

The way that I look at it: Sunset’s the best out of the two.

@Josh103  
Honestly, they made Starlight a little too evil to be redeemed - at least in the time they did it, anyhow.

@Josh103
 
I wouldn’t really call her Sunset done proper they made her too terrifying a villain I think. It seems to me they should’ve saved that characterization for someone else if those last 10mins are something to go by.
 
 
@Crystal Neighybánya
 
I don’t think they learned the wrong lessons. Felt more like they tried to do to Starlight the same they did to Sunset and well that didn’t turn out well.

@Jades  
Starlight as a villain feels like Sunset done “proper”. Only time will tell if Starlight can match Sunset post-reformation.

@Mrmildock  
As far as I’m concerned, the writers fucked up when they redeemed her. She should’ve stayed a villain. I just can’t buy a character like Glimmer as a hero.

@Jades  
The writers learned all the wrong lessons from Shimmer, then.

You know someone brought this up in the forums but they really do fill like 2 halves of a character.
 
I mean Glimmer succeeds at being a better villain and that’s it really :/. She’s really one note and and her whole character besides those last 10mins are fillerish and one note otherwise.
 
You know I wonder if the writers thought the only problem with Sunset Shimmer was that she wasn’t a satisfying villain and they decided to complete that with Starlight and even better give her a character but they tried to pull the same thing like Sunset and well that kinda doesn’t work because Starlight you know actually has character.

@Crystal Neighybánya  
I’ve said so many times before that I’ll just wait and see what season 6 does for her. I’ll reserve judgment until then. I just feel it’s super cliche at the moment.

@Scrounge  
I know: I was only trying to get a chuckle out of you.

@Crystal Neighybánya  
Yeah, I know she’s a hypocrite, my intention was to mock.

@Scrounge  

 
@Mrmildock  
Wait, you don’t want Glimmer to be redeemed?