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Lord Niggertron
Not a Llama - Happy April Fools Day!

@Background Pony  
Hoo! Armchair Freud all up in this shit. yknow I wonder if I could get a pardon on all of this by sayin I come from an abusive family or some shit…
 
But let’s get to that example of you wantin to fuck my dead mama. Admittedly, if she had just died and you said that, I’d prolly lay yo ass out. However, I cannot stay that mad forever. At some point, I gotta get over it, and the longer I let the concept of you fuckin my dead mama offend me, the more miserable I will be, specially if you happened to say it all the time. I can’t stop you from sayin it, so my best bet is to get over it.
 
 
@Ugh  
This nigger gets it.
Background Pony #8F18
@Ugh
 
Same anonymous background ponei here. I only speculate, I don’t really bother with what is and isn’t correct in my reply towards Niggertron. My main reason for my first comment was replying to Lefty, Niggertron was just and added topping. Verbose and I know each other from a different bronei sub-community, he linked me to here to ask for some insight to that teal deer comment he made and nothing else.
 
Therefore it’s best to ignore the last part in my first comment if you want to keep proper discussion present here. My apologies for taking the bait and replying, adding a risk of derailment in the process.
Ugh

@Background Pony  
Anonymous Background Pony, I’m very sorry to say that Niggertron is probably not any of those things. I think he’s just some guy who listens to Avenue Q songs too much.
Background Pony #8D5F
@Lefty643
 
While there are no issues with the fact that you up- and downvote based on concept, execution and content, there is an issue with your reasoning for the last. While you may not be it yourself nor is it your intention to make it appear that way, downvoting an image “because Twilight is black” appears racist.
 
As Verbose stated and you have admitted yourself, bronies tend to originate from more white communities in general. Unlike black people, most bronies don’t interact with many blacks in their life and therefore tend overly simplistic about the matter. You did admit that your reasoning behind it was because you are white, which is a reason I can place understanding into. People are more likely to like that which they can relate to. Now the white skin color might be taking it a bit too broad and it’s not something I base my judgement on, but when I for example see an artpiece that contains a reference to my country, I am more likely to give a positive opnion towards it.
 
Now as you also stated, offensive, trolling, or otherwise hate of a group get nothing from you. You are more likely to hold a negative standing against a black Twilight than for example a piece of art which depicts Rarity as a KKK member. While the latter is certainly more offensive, you only bother with the first. This does bring up some flaws with your reasoning.
 
I’m white btw. Dunno why, but for some reason I felt that was necessary to point out.
 
 
 
@Lord Niggertron
 
The issue here is that you take praise and credit for being an overall dick. As Verbose stated, you are obviously white and based on your posts I’m guessing you’re between the age of 14-18. Your view of society hasn’t developped well enough yet to understand the content of your comments and how they may be received by others. You say it’s best to laugh it off, but if your mother died and I stated I would be willing to get interested in necrophilia solely to tap her ass, I doubt you would appreciate my comment. Of course, maybe your relationship with your parents isn’t the best, and based on past interactions I had with people on the internet who shared behavior like you family issues are very likely, so it’s likely you will not care about any comment that places groups or individuals in a bad spotlight. But that are issues you should seek professional help for, and can’t fix by making others feel bad about themselves.
 
Please do humanity a favor and never repopulate.
Background Pony #8500
@Ugh  
It’s a bindi. People wear them for fashion. It’s not a religious statement in most cases.
Ugh

I know it’s not front and center, but I find the weird noses and Fluttershy’s forehead marking much more distinct. Does a blue forehead marking actually mean something in India? Or was the artist just trying to think of a way of making Fluttershy Indian?
Lord Niggertron
Not a Llama - Happy April Fools Day!

@Verbose  
A most fascinating read, negro. Though you may not reciprocate, I certainly do not regret making yo acquanitance.
 
Let me start by saying I hardly see how it is irrational of me to believe niggas should look like niggas. Not only does it smack of tokenism to see a white gurl dyed black, but it also hinders the growth of the artist to not criticize it. Making Twilight actually look black is an area where this artist needs work.
 
But you aint talkin bout Niggertron’s view of the picture. You talkin bout Niggertron.
 
You give me too much credit, both in the size of the audience that hears my words and in my skills as a master manipulator. Rest assured that while Niggertron does have many followers, the haters aint no small minority, both here and tumblr. And to say I do more damage than BET? Shit nigga, I don’t think anyone can top them bitches.
 
As for perpetuating racism, that I can take no credit for. Racism is human nature. (Not the best example cuz the lady indoctrinates them, but in less than a day, the kids become prejudiced over something they didn’t even realize). Best we can do is learn to live with it and laugh about it.
Background Pony #8500
@Lefty643  
How do you know what the artist’s intent was? From what I can tell on her deviantart she doesn’t exactly start a lot of shit
Appletini

@Verbose  
@Background Pony  
These were sobering to wake up to, and an apt name on your part Verbose. While I don’t have much to add I will say I very rarely downvote, only if there’s little to no artistic merit in something like an image of text or a crudely done MSPaint cut and paste job of something. I guess I take it to the extreme as I don’t apply it to things I don’t like so much as things that have no purpose taking up space on the booru.
 
Anyways, have this you two, it always makes me happy seeing people be so genuine on the internet.
 
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Verbose
Gold Bit -
Emerald -
Since the Beginning  -

First, I do appreciate those who do read that. @BP, like I said, I’m used to that. It’s long, it’s a site about colorful ponies, not everyone wants to read a dissertation.
 
@Lefty643
 

 
 
Crimson_Demon_Megumin
Magical Inkwell - Wrote MLP fanfiction consisting of at least around 1.5k words, and has a verified link to the platform of their choice

Walk the path.
@Verbose
 
Holy shit… Hang on let me read all that…
 
OK, now that I’m done, I’ll try the whole ‘turn off fancy tag’ thing later.
 
Now, while it is true you upvote and downvote based on execution and concept, I up and down based on both those and content. If what is drawn in the image does not appeal to me, I will downvote. Perhaps the institution of upvoting and downvoting or like and disliking is inherently flawed.
 
However, I will admit that the only thing I downvote is that which has black Twilight in it; offensive, trolling, or otherwise hate of a group gets nothing from me.
 
Now, I will concede your point and while the artist’s work was well executed and the art is very nicely drawn, I find his concept of diversifying for the sake of diversifying dislikeable, as well as the content itself. I am OK with Indian Fluttershy or whatever else; I can tolerate that, and in some cases I like it, but I prefer white because I am white. I am more comfortable with those of my own skin color. I can perhaps attribute this to the fact that I grew up in a wholly white community, and while I was taught and do believe that all humans are equal under their skin, mind, and flag, I am most comfortable with those I have known and had the most experience with. When I am subjected to those of other race and culture, I am made uneasy.
 
And I knew that I wasn’t the only one who saw through Mr. Niggertron’s guise; there are people who indeed talk like that in reality, but I have never met one that typed like that.
Background Pony #9BBD
@Verbose  
I read your post, and avoided the rest of the comments. It’s a simple, unfortunate fact that the sorts like “Lord Niggertron” (might as well name yourself Buttstain McPitsweat for all the decorum that name carries) are the reason I left, and actively avoid, 4chan: the “lol I can be a jackass because internet” crowd, the “oh suck it up, pussy, everyone’s offensive” personality that idolizes George Carlin (who, although quite intelligent, was still an inveterate asshole and proud of it, which seems to be the only thing they took from watching videos of his standup routines).
 
Incidentally, I’ve never found Daniel Tosh very entertaining either.
 
I was a semi-regular reader around /v/ and /tg/ for the better part of two years. After the eighth time /b/ went down and their sewage seeped into the rest of the site, I chose to stop visiting the ‘chan entirely, and attempts at going to some of the less popular imageboards were met with either “raids” from bored /b/ members or the sorts of people that got themselves banned from 4chan and trundled off to fling poo somewhere else.
 
I’d like to maintain access to the rest of the internet, without being forced to avoid the communal aspects (or have to put up with scrolling past “realists” and other such plotholes by the dozen). “Lol Internet” is not, and never should be, an excuse to perpetuate the Greater Internet Fuckwad Theory. If we are to preach love and tolerance, step one comes from not “telling it like it is”, because what you’re telling is nothing more than stereotypes, generalization, and piss-taking.
 
tl;dr Plotholes will be plotholes, and I really wish they’d bugger off and leave the more generally friendly and intelligent portion of the internet be.
Verbose
Gold Bit -
Emerald -
Since the Beginning  -

Odd, that I’d be the one to simplify an issue, but considering that the art itself seems to be at least halfway well-done, then I’m going to call some form of racism by the fact that it (as of the moment) has 21 downvotes. It’d be one thing if it were poorly done.
 
 
…It’s not.
 
 
Do people really think the art or even the concept merits that many downvotes? Is it so bad that Fluttershy is probably Indian (I don’t think Muslim is right here) or that Twilight is likely black? Heck, like my vote, the bulk of the upvotes are probably just to counteract the downvotes.
 
One form of it is the fact that bronies (people in Web Culture, actually) aren’t usually involved in the humanities or the social sciences. We are often white males with a tendency for the sciences. We tend to be liberally-bent, and a little edgy. Certainly brash. But not conducive to the “fluff” that is admittedly in some humanities. If I were to seek a community that was about raising taxes to help oppressed people, then this would not be the population I would turn to. Such fields have merit that a lot of people in Web Culture don’t see, because such issues have been oversimplified or otherwise minimalized.
 
Women’s studies and sociology are probably seen as a waste of time or invalid logically. Some people can see the intricacies of some fields, but see interactions with people as being somewhat simplistic in comparison. In actuality, people are far more complex in that they don’t follow the same logic and they don’t weigh things in the same ways.
 
…Your stereotypical person in Web Culture doesn’t understand that and they honestly don’t care to, because they don’t have to deal with many black people as black people IRL. They’ll marry a kinda geeky to very geeky white girl, perhaps Asian, Most of their friends will have similar likes as them, and there aren’t many black people who are interested in Friendship is Magic, Doctor Who, Minecraft, and TF2.
 
As such, bronies don’t have to understand race in any detailed way in order to make their way through life. In my two plus years in lurking and interacting with the fandom, this is what I’ve found. Other “groups” of people (based upon activities and interests) tend to be more informed and be more interested in matters of race. I don’t consider it to be antagonistic or malinentioned. Bronies aren’t bad people. Generally, they’re as good as anyone else. I consider most of their takes on race to be overly simplistic.
 
 
Saying all that to say that such a mindset doesn’t predict a good score for such art. There are those who troll to get a response from those who are commenting now (probably make up some of the downvotes), those who do comment, and those who stay silent (in comment and in vote), lurk, and never get involved. Among those people and the distribution of these people, this score isn’t surprising, but it’s still a bit disappointing. It wouldn’t matter if it was Megasweet, tlm02, or a lesser known humanization fan artist, making Twilight black or Fluttershy Indian in any serious way bodes poorly for the art’s reception.
 
tl;dr: Bronies are a little ignorant in regards to race, but they don’t know it. That’s not their bent academically or intellectually.
 
I can appreciate Lefty643’s honesty, and his opinion is his own, but maybe I frown even more, because he’s being honest. And I don’t think his opinion is his unique here.
 
Lefty?
 
You see this massive wall of text of mine.
 
…should I be colored white in art? I can’t imagine that I appear to be like the stereotypical black person.
 
Just like a fraction of fanart portrays a humanized Twilight as being black, a fraction of black people really do act, put bluntly, white. Therefore, it follows that a similar fraction of black Twilight humanizations are valid, because a fraction of black people act like Twilight in the canon.
 
Your opinion might make more sense to me if it acknowledged that fact, but your generalization here doesn’t merit your downvote. I hope you see that.
 
I don’t fault you for not liking the way a black character looks. Heck, maybe you don’t like the way Fluttershy looks with dark skin and pink hair.
 
But I upvote and downvote based on execution and concept. If not for the massive amount of dowvotes, I wouldn’t have even bothered to vote at all. I don’t downvote BBW art even though I don’t like it. I just hide it. (Which is why I’m really glad that there’s a Favorite option now. I Favorite images based more on whether or not I like it more than whether or not I think the artist did a good job in their creating a concept or executing a concept.)
 
I don’t want to punish the artist for a personal preference of mine.
 
(Also, you can probably hide the art if you change your settings a bit. I can put whatever I want for my hiding/spoilering/visible tags by turning off the “fancy tag” settings. Let’s me punch whatever the crap I want in. Even tags that aren’t there yet.)
 
 
Lord Niggertron does nothing to help. I wish he’d go away, “but Internet.” What can you do with an notorious RPing user who’s not breaking any rules? He has a negative effect on the userbase, but it’s beyond what Derpibooru is responsible for in terms of its mission and moderation. He’s not preventing the site from hosting fanart (and bad macros and forced memes), and he’s not stirring up dissension in the userbase. It ain’t their problem, and they’d be a bit biased to ban based reasoning outside of the mission of the site.
 
It’s too bad his flamboyant and rather ignorant confidence combined with something almost resembling redeeming value in terms of humor actually makes people respect his words, if not agree with them. He sorta plays at reverse psychology in how he appears flippant at first and then oddly “articulate” in regards to his opinion on matters of race.
 
Basically, he’s Carlos Mencia by another name (a pony name, no less,) and it works here.
 
At the end of the day, it’s probably some white guy RPing as a “black” pony or white guy using the guise of a ponysona to push off his ideals of what is fine and what is not about racism, and the Internet is conducive to his means. It sorta grinds me that your opinion about my race is where a lot of Western people are getting their first true philosophy on race beyond “we’re all equal, period.” You’re not trained in the area, either academically or by expertise. You’re simply applying your narrowly-based logic to a situation you have no idea about (and should you actually be black, then assume I would be audibly laughing, because I would be.)
 
As a black guy, I regret ever having made your acquaintance. Your reputation and interaction with dozens here (and probably hundreds, if not thousands more) does more to perpetuate racism against black people than you can ever be aware of. All for the sake of your jollies. However, “because Internet” and the nature of most people in Web Culture, there’s nothing that can be done about it. You have manipulated the pond’s composition perfectly well.
 
I saw it fit to call you out on that. For this population, I argue that you do far worse things in regards to how people see blacks than BET does. Bronies recognize that BET isn’t indicative of all black people, but they’ll give you some credence based on the attributes you chose for your ponysona’s personality and the venue in which we interact.
 
I look forward to a similar function that was made for Ponibooru where I can filter out your comments.
 
 
God bless you, sir, but please stop talking like you know about issues of race. I promise that you don’t.
 
Not because you’re likely white, but because of what you’re saying.
 
 
The fact that this is even an issue of conversation is a good thing, but it may not even be all that much of an issue.
 
You might have gotten a bored troll who wanted to vote this up a lot with different accounts or something, or you might have gotten a few people who dislike this purely on subjective (or poorly informed objective grounds a la Lefty’s) explanations.
 
As soon as an image or post with any level of controversy to it gets so many downvotes on most sites, it sorta gets into a “karma spiral of doom,” where people see the score and begin to incorporate the current score into how they perceive the art. The art by itself for some isn’t enough to merit a downvote, but upon noticing the score, they begin to look for small attributes and general feelings in order to make sense of the score. Upon doing so, they become more likely to give the art a score that follows the current score. And so, you have a spiral outside of the pure matter of the art without the score.
 
A slightly more complex version of bandwagoning, so to speak.
 
For most, it might not even really be a matter of race at all. Might just be following the herd LAWLZ BRONEI PUNS.
 
tl;dr: I’m not naive enough to think that you read anything here that wasn’t in bold but it makes me feel better because I have to make sense of the situation without feeling bad about my fandom or myself OK GOSH.
Crimson_Demon_Megumin
Magical Inkwell - Wrote MLP fanfiction consisting of at least around 1.5k words, and has a verified link to the platform of their choice

Walk the path.
@Dr Outback
 
Oh no I know they exist, but the nerdy sheltered girl stereotype more fits white chicks than black(at least in my experience it has; there might be some like ‘new-age’ stuff going on with a nerdy black girl somewhere).